Training in MMA and boxing about to start 1st cycle

[UserAt204]

No I hear you cobra everyone is different and I still do test only cycles more than anything else but I'm not trying to gain 20lbs a cycle. I guess most of the time I'm going for a slow and steady.

Lion I have tried 250mg test cycle and I didn't think it was worth even using the gear. 500mg for most people is not a big deal. If you respond well to 250mg then that's great but I doesn't work that way for everyone. I'm glad to see you actually have a conversation without trying to start shit. If your opinion is different then say what you want but to talk shit to guys who spend a lot of time here helping people is not necessary.

 

[mouse king]

small ??? wait a second..

 

[Cobra Strike]

small ??? wait a second..

ok fine...medium

 

[mouse king]

if you cant grow at 250 mg of one the best steroid in the world in your first cycle then there is diet and training to be fixed right..first get it right then use high dose AAS..because if first time user use 500 mg test per week he can get away with pussy workout and pussy diet...and thats not good..i know not everyone respond to 250 per week....but why not advise to take little so that in next cycle he could gain more with 500 ?? so that he can have more room for the future growth..? i tell to use less because in this way ppl learn that gear is not everything.....when a guy take 500 first he grows like weed.....but that makes a guy think that roid is everything...with 250 mg per week you still have to be very careful with diet and workout..in this way he learns roids are no magic,..it helps a guy to concentrate on workout and diet more in long run as he knows deep down that roids are not gonna do a shit if i wont eat or train enough

and i am not saying you guys are jerks...i have great respect for the compassion you guys have for the newbies......i just dont agree with high dosed in first cycle because i have seen great pump with just 4-6 mg winni per day for the first week in my cycle..no way in hell i am gonna believe that a guy need 500 mg test per week to grow in first cycle

 

[mouse king]

ok fine...medium

lol you funny bitch

 

[UserAt204]

Lion king that was a good post. I agree 110% that's it's all diet and training and that is a good examaple of a reason to use a low dose. My first time at 250mg I was very suprised. I had to work harder and did gain but not like I thought I would. Then I moved to 500mg with diet and training in check and grew like crazy. You make some very good points here and you are correct, people try a cycle then think I should try even more but reality is you should be able to grow of that same dose for a while, when you can no longer grow, then it's time to bump the dose or re evaluate the diet and training. People tend to move very quickly into increased doses and adding compounds but people do respond in different ways so it's hard to say what will work for everyone here.

I've been using AAS for 8 years and I still run test only cycles and occasionally add tren or deca or EQ. Two is plenty for me at this point.

 

[Cobra Strike]

if you cant grow at 250 mg of one the best steroid in the world in your first cycle then there is diet and training to be fixed right..first get it right then use high dose AAS..because if first time user use 500 mg test per week he can get away with pussy workout and pussy diet...and thats not good..i know not everyone respond to 250 per week....but why not advise to take little so that in next cycle he could gain more with 500 ?? so that he can have more room for the future growth..? i tell to use less because in this way ppl learn that gear is not everything.....when a guy take 500 first he grows like weed.....but that makes a guy think that roid is everything...with 250 mg per week you still have to be very careful with diet and workout..in this way he learns roids are no magic,..it helps a guy to concentrate on workout and diet more in long run as he knows deep down that roids are not gonna do a shit if i wont eat or train enough

and i am not saying you guys are jerks...i have great respect for the compassion you guys have for the newbies......i just dont agree with high dosed in first cycle because i have seen great pump with just 4-6 mg winni per day for the first week in my cycle..no way in hell i am gonna believe that a guy need 500 mg test per week to grow in first cycle

see now this is exactly how you need to talk to people...then they will listen.

 

[mouse king]

okei....i am cool now...no more bullshit from my side.i was just disagree with first cycle dose...500 mg test sounded me too much because of my own experience..thats it

 

[ezred]

okei....i am cool now...no more bullshit from my side.i was just disagree with first cycle dose...500 mg test sounded me too much because of my own experience..thats it

200mg a week of test-e should bring blood levels to a little over 1k. that's total test, not free test. free test is a fraction of that.

you probably already know that.

but anyway, the "average" man is also factoring in everyone from 20-105 and the vast majority of that time your test levels are going down.... so the "average" adult (talking about a range of like 60-80 or so years here) makes 50-100mg per week of straight test.... or like 70-130mg of test-e per week.

but in my opinion, the "average" male has low testosterone... considering the range is so ridiculously huge. i was up over 1k before my first cycle at age 28. i was already producing that kind of test natty. so if i did 250mg of enanthate a week.... it would have been shutting down my natty test production for like an additional 5% or so over what i was producing on my own.

would have been a big waste.

i won't weigh in with my opinion on the pics.