tren ace/test p DISCOURAGEMENT

[ThePredator]

The more I read about tren and deca the more discouraged I get in using them. Progesterone, prolactin, sexual dysfunction, HARD shutdown, difficult recovery, etc etc etc.

Also having to use prami/caber with their own set of sides. Just too much.

I no longer see the point in using these compounds unless you're looking to be a professional bodybuilder. The risks seem far too great for a normal guy looking to pack on a little muscle to enhance his physique.

Do you guys agree or disagree?

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Secondly, I now plan on running test prop on it's own or something. Seems safe as hell since I've ran a test only cycle before. With an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand of course. First question, 500mg or 1g? I ran 500mg before with no problems. Maybe 750mg? Second question, is it worth adding anything else (excluding tren, deca)?

 

[joliver]

I agree on a certain level. The shorter acting tren didn't really impact me as much. But on the whole, tren is a violently potent AAS, and I tend to outgrow my tendons and ligaments on it. Deca--I don't touch it. I like EQ so much better.

I have kicked around that argument in my own head quite a few times.

 

[3ct]

I was planning on running Tren for my 3rd cycle this winter but, have decided against it for now. I can't say that I'll put it off forever or be completely against it, just way too tempting. I just think I'm not ready for it yet, I should be able to make some good gains with just test and Anavar (var) for now. I didn't like my NPP cycle but, I don't know if it was the compound or not, I was just really lethargic throughout, my E2 did go sky high because I had bunk Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but, even with it finally in control I never felt completely fine. So, I don't know maybe I just don't respond well to 19nors and don't want to risk it again and be miserable. I want to have a good cycle and chances are good that will happen with test Anavar (var) I don't want to take a chance that I may or may not with tren.

 

[rocky83]

I gotta say I am a huge fan of deca and tren. I don't ever get any negative side effects from either, so maybe I am just a lucky guy. If you don't show signs of having more severe side effects and have never tried it then I would have to say give it a go. Honestly if its your first time and you do end starting to show signs of negative side effects then make sure that you have all preventative measures covered and most likely you aren't going to do too much if any permanent damage to your body. But, in perspective if you aren't serious about weight training or body building then I would probably stay away from it.

 

[MustangDX]

The more I read about tren and deca the more discouraged I get in using them. Progesterone, prolactin, sexual dysfunction, HARD shutdown, difficult recovery, etc etc etc.

Also having to use prami/caber with their own set of sides. Just too much.

I no longer see the point in using these compounds unless you're looking to be a professional bodybuilder. The risks seem far too great for a normal guy looking to pack on a little muscle to enhance his physique.

Do you guys agree or disagree?

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Secondly, I now plan on running test prop on it's own or something. Seems safe as hell since I've ran a test only cycle before. With an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand of course. First question, 500mg or 1g? I ran 500mg before with no problems. Maybe 750mg? Second question, is it worth adding anything else (excluding tren, deca)?

You must USE the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from the very first pin till you start your post cycle therapy (pct). Managing your estrogen levels are the most important part of an AAS cycle.

For your second cycle, think about adding an oral kickstart like Tbol or Dbol...

 

[ForeverAesthetic]

Just stick to test my friend, then your diet dictates if you are bulking or cutting.

 

[Mad- scientist]

Honestly I felt better on testosterone before I added in NPP but I look a hell of a lot better since I added in NPP and my joints feel like god constructed them out of some alien material that never hurts or cracks. I think that NPP and Deca are a must for some one looking to put on heavy weight and lift heavy and stay away from injury. Their are also therapeutic levels of Deca or NPP like around 200mgs some one could use just for joint lubrication.

The Npp just killed my sex drive like I can still get erections at 100 percent and function fine I just have no where near the same level of libido I did on just testosterone. I would also say that if you fuck up on any aspect of your cycle when it comes to estrogen or anything that could make a major difference. You can not just blame the compound. I mean some one should be running a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through out the cycle and getting blood tests half way in or sooner to make sure the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is working and that you are dosing in properly. I mean even a legit source could some how mislabel a bottle of liquid arimadex and give you something like Cialis or god forbid t3... you have to be careful and get blood tests.

 

[underpsi]

to the op. not always the case. everyone is different. had zero sides on deca (used once) with 600test/400 deca wk. also zero sides and never used caber/prami while using up to 700 tren wk /400 test.
always use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) tho. have done enough cycles that i'm pretty good at knowing my body, regulating it's use too.

 

[barrysanders]

I hardly encounter any of the sides mentioned. And I seem to take higher dosages than most.

 

[Hogans hero]

I was planning on running Tren for my 3rd cycle this winter but, have decided against it for now. I can't say that I'll put it off forever or be completely against it, just way too tempting. I just think I'm not ready for it yet, I should be able to make some good gains with just test and Anavar (var) for now. I didn't like my NPP cycle but, I don't know if it was the compound or not, I was just really lethargic throughout, my E2 did go sky high because I had bunk Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but, even with it finally in control I never felt completely fine. So, I don't know maybe I just don't respond well to 19nors and don't want to risk it again and be miserable. I want to have a good cycle and chances are good that will happen with test Anavar (var) I don't want to take a chance that I may or may not with tren.

Did u run any test with nnp??

 

[Rastas]

I agree with underpsi. I don't think everyone needs caber/prami while running tren or deca. I tried caber while running tren and it fucked me hard. It has a massive half life too so it took days to get out of my system. Once it was out, I was good. No prolactin sides at all. It seem that one person says, "You MUST have this you MUST have that" and everyone takes it as gospel and starts spreading it till every man and his dog is telling you what to run.

 

[Jack Tors]

im never running tren again to suppressive. PCT is a nightmare

 

[Rastas]

im never running tren again to suppressive. PCT is a nightmare

Agreed. Mine was much lengthier than I thought it would be. I told myself I'd only use tren again for 8 weeks max pre comp. I only ran it at around 250mg a week but that was still enough to hinder recovery.

 

[3ct]

Did u run any test with nnp??

Of course

 

[smittiot]

If I never try it I will always wonder about it. I like to experience as many things as I can in life. Cautiously, but not so much that it holds me back.

 

[Metalhead]

I love tren personally. I had a great time with it until the end when I knew it was time to quit. I always enjoyed the caber while I took it also. I'd have to say the pumps I had in the gym while on tren have been the best for me so far

 

[ThePredator]

I'm glad that several of you guys were able to do tren without any side effects, but there's still a big chance I won't be as lucky as you.

I've become very knowledgeable on nutrition and training, I've also learned my body and found what works for me in the gym. I think test p and dbol is all I'll need. Good discussion though guys.

BTW- Metalheads avatar looks way too much like my girlfriend.

 

[Metalhead]

I'm glad that several of you guys were able to do tren without any side effects, but there's still a big chance I won't be as lucky as you.

I've become very knowledgeable on nutrition and training, I've also learned my body and found what works for me in the gym. I think test p and dbol is all I'll need. Good discussion though guys.

BTW- Metalheads avatar looks way too much like my girlfriend.

Prove it lol tren is a great drug to use. If you do decide to do it, just know what to expect and start with a low dose of tren ace and if shit gets too bad, abort and it'll be out in a few days.

 

[toco]

UMMM. Whats to say you recover easier on test alone then the suppression caused by a 19nor?

 

[ThePredator]

I don't know toco, but that's what I keep reading... I just know that if I can't make gains with test p and dbol, I suck and should give up lol. Sooooo I don't plan on sucking and giving up!