tren, test, drol. high dose bulk!!

[gettin big]

hey guys ive had some experince with each of these compounds and ive run seceral cycles over the past couple yrs so im not a newbie lol. current stats:

5'11, 243lbs, bf% 13-15 by my estimate.
im off cycle now and plan on reducing BF and increasing my cardio to try and make up for the lack a breath on tren. im planning something like this

week 1-12 2g sust
week 1-4 100mg drol ED
week 5-12: 100mg tren ace ED

or staggering it an pyramiding up as gains slow... maybe something along these lines.

week 1-4 1gram sust
week 4-8 100mg drol ED
week 4-12 2gram sust
week 8-15 100 tren ace ED

what do you guys think? i know the doses are on the high end but ive been getting slow gains this past yr cycling with several compounds ag diff times. ive never un more than 1100 test with addition of ather compounds. but i do want to get to the pro levwl and
feel that i need something more advanced to get the type of growth im looking for. and yes i know how to diet lol. i try to get 5000 cals in a day

open to ideas and suggeastions.

 

[3J]

ok.. i gotta ask.. what makes you say you are that bodyfat??? can you clearly see your abs??

 

[gettin big]

ive done a couple shows so i know what i look like at dif % based on past body caliper rwsults. i havnt had it chacked but to me it looks like 13-15. you can see my abs when a flex them

 

[3J]

ive done a couple shows so i know what i look like at dif % based on past body caliper rwsults. i havnt had it chacked but to me it looks like 13-15. you can see my abs when a flex them

sweet... sorry to doubt we have alot of people with stats like yours who come here and say they are 15%.. i ask them to send a pic and they are closer to 27% lol

 

[3J]

what kind of ai's are you planning on running?? this is alot of gear

 

[gettin big]

haha no worries man. i have adex on hand and letro if i really need it. i also have prami for tren but doubt ill need it

 

[3J]

haha no worries man. i have adex on hand and letro if i really need it. i also have prami for tren but doubt ill need it

with such a high dose cycle i would recommend you run something.. plan on using it..

 

[gettin big]

good point. im fine with no AI at a gram of test butwith 2 your prob right.

 

[gettin big]

what about the cycle itself... any thoughts on running it lke a normal straight cycle vs. pyramiding up as gains slow?

 

[halfwit]

1. Watch your blood pressure constantly. You're pushing the range where even controlled E2 won't help prevent high bp.

2. You WILL need an AI. You're pushing 3g of gear in a week, combined with the fact that 750mg of that is a 19-nor; problems can come fast and hard. You ever see powerlifters with a constant red complexion? That's usually crazy high bp from a heavy cycle and 0 AI. (They use the water for additional strength)

3. I would watch the simple sugars while on tren and adrol. Spikes in glucose with those particular compounds will very likely give some nasty indigestion and heartburn.

4. Don't forget the liver support. That heavy of a cycle would be best served with both NAC and liv52. You'll feel much better too.

5. Pyramids belong in Egypt and stim cycles. Hormones have esters to provide this effect, and I have yet to see ANY benefit of doing it that way.

Just remember, not only do pros have crazy good genetics, but often access to a doctor. Those of us that do this on our own have to be extra vigilant in trying to do this safely and ensure that we see as few negative effects as possible.

My .02c

 

[gettin big]

1. Watch your blood pressure constantly. You're pushing the range where even controlled E2 won't help prevent high bp.

2. You WILL need an AI. You're pushing 3g of gear in a week, combined with the fact that 750mg of that is a 19-nor; problems can come fast and hard. You ever see powerlifters with a constant red complexion? That's usually crazy high bp from a heavy cycle and 0 AI. (They use the water for additional strength)

3. I would watch the simple sugars while on tren and adrol. Spikes in glucose with those particular compounds will very likely give some nasty indigestion and heartburn.

4. Don't forget the liver support. That heavy of a cycle would be best served with both NAC and liv52. You'll feel much better too.

5. Pyramids belong in Egypt and stim cycles. Hormones have esters to provide this effect, and I have yet to see ANY benefit of doing it that way.

Just remember, not only do pros have crazy good genetics, but often access to a doctor. Those of us that do this on our own have to be extra vigilant in trying to do this safely and ensure that we see as few negative effects as possible.

My .02c

thanks for the input!! i run NAC and milk thistle all the time. but def plan on some additional liver support during this cycle.

as for the blood pressure i know exactly what your talkimv abput wgith the power liftrts. if i find tahy its getting out of control what steps should i take to combat it? i kkow there are some natural supps i can use but if tjose dont help what would you recomend? BP is actually one of my main concerns with this cycle...

love the pyramids belong in Egypt line lmfao!

 

[tbonexl]

Why are u doing 3 weeks of tren after u stop the sust?

 

[gettin big]

Why are u doing 3 weeks of tren after u stop the sust?

my bad that was a typo on my end. im going to run sust the whole time.. altbough i knoe some people who drop test and keep yren at the end for pre contest. but dont plan on getting it ip if you do lol

 

[STAUNCHED427]

good point. im fine with no AI at a gram of test butwith 2 your prob right.

So was my mate. Of course this was all based on because his nipples weren't sore. When I heard through another mate that he was experiencing shortness of breath and chest pain I immediately told him to start taking the adex which he told me he was taking after I explained to him you need it on 750mg Test because you may not feel high BP amongst other negative effects from elevated e2. Anyway, he started taking it, dropped the moon face and the chest pain and says he feels better.

Sometimes people have to learn things the hard way, don't be one of those idiots. At 2G of Test you need an AI.

Like mentioned earlier by Halfwit, even with e2 being controlled your BP will be jacked at even half of those doses of AAS. Get some Cialis, it will help with blood pressure.

 

[halfwit]

thanks for the input!! i run NAC and milk thistle all the time. but def plan on some additional liver support during this cycle.

as for the blood pressure i know exactly what your talkimv abput wgith the power liftrts. if i find tahy its getting out of control what steps should i take to combat it? i kkow there are some natural supps i can use but if tjose dont help what would you recomend? BP is actually one of my main concerns with this cycle...

love the pyramids belong in Egypt line lmfao!

There are places online that carry blood pressure meds much like UGLs and AAS. Some are overseas and are actual pharmacies while others are resellers of (usually) pharmaceuticals. I have a script from when I was a fatty which I have been using to stockpile mine, but I do know that there are legit sites out there for this purpose (antibiotics are another big seller) .

I don't keep up on which are still around, but I'm sure some googling will provide a solution.

You will also want to watch sodium and keep up water intake. Diuretics can come in handy (pharma ones, otc is caffeine lol) if things really start to get out of hand.

The good news is that it should be a gradual rise as serum levels start to rise. As long as you keep track (bp cuffs are stupid cheap now) of that pressure, you should be able to nip it in the bud. As mentioned above, cialis can help as well as a few select vasodilators like arginine in higher doses.

Hope this helps.

 

[Repo]

So was my mate. Of course this was all based on because his nipples weren't sore. When I heard through another mate that he was experiencing shortness of breath and chest pain I immediately told him to start taking the adex which he told me he was taking after I explained to him you need it on 750mg Test because you may not feel high BP amongst other negative effects from elevated e2. Anyway, he started taking it, dropped the moon face and the chest pain and says he feels better.

Sometimes people have to learn things the hard way, don't be one of those idiots. At 2G of Test you need an AI.

Like mentioned earlier by Halfwit, even with e2 being controlled your BP will be jacked at even half of those doses of AAS. Get some Cialis, it will help with blood pressure.

I hate the F'n moon face but it's usually an indicator that my BP is going to be high.

OP it's a lot of gear buddy just be safe... "good luck with the competition and keep us posted!"

 

[China_Wall]

haha no worries man. i have adex on hand and letro if i really need it. i also have prami for tren but doubt ill need it

adex is not to keep "on hand"... run it .5mg eod start to finish, nothing wrong with being safe

 

[gettin big]

okay so the concesnus is take an AI lol. ill def be running .5 mgs through the cycle. thanks for all the input guys! keep it coming if you have anymore suggestions

 

[FFL]

Not a suggestion, just a statement here. Goddam that's a lot of gear!! Carry on.

 

[gettin big]

Not a suggestion, just a statement here. Goddam that's a lot of gear!! Carry on.

hahaha its just time for me to try some higher doses. i wouldnt say its ghat eytreme. but def a more advanced cycle. if you wanna play with the big boys you gotta do what the big boys are doing lol