Trenbolone Thoughts

[THE-DET-OAK]

I respectfully disagree. I'm not against tren at all, he'll I'm currently running tren and I have ran it a few times in the past. I have came to realize with a proper diet and other compounds for example deca, mast, eq, Winstrol (winny), you can get the same gains as you would with tren.

so you think on an EQ cycle you could eat 2500 calories QD and still put on weight? i cant, im doing it now as a matter of fact.

i will agree with you that you can get as lean, but as i said earlier, tren is the only steroid ever proven to do 2 things:

increase feed efficiency

burn fat

i dont know how anyone would think that others will give the same results, if it were the case they would be shooting up cattle with EQ, mast and Winstrol (winny), not trenbolone



so i respectfully dis disagree lol

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

In many peoples eyes, tren is pound for pound the strongest compound for pure gains and stacks well with anything; although some may argue that its a No No while on nanodrolone aka deca however I have ran both successfully with no more or less problems than running them separate . Trenbolone significantly increases nutrient efficiency along mineral/vitamin absorption. Feed efficiency is the measurement of how much of an animal diet is converted into meat, and the more consumption of food it takes to finalize this meat, the lower the value. On the other hand, the less food consumed by the animal to finalize the meat; the higher the value/efficiency. As mentioned in the study above, Cattle given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet changed; leading to improved feed efficiency. This is music to the ears of every bodybuilder because Tren guarentees that every calorie you eat will go to some value of nutrition. This allows for better utlilization of the nutrition you intake to go to the muscles and organs of the body. This would explain why the cattle grew so rapidly while on Finaflex pellets.

Trenbolone is one of the few anabolic androgenic steroids that can lead to fat loss without change in diet, and it also has scholarly literature stating so. This makes it perfect on a recomp as you will lose all fat needed but pack on dense muscle at the same time, dont get me wrong; you can still use it for other goals including bulking and cutting.

http://needtobuildmuscle.com/bodybu...5/the-trenobolone-experience-by-needtogetaas/

there is a nice article explaining why those 2 things are so huge for tren. until someone can give me some evidence that any other steroid can do these things, then its obvious tren will give you results you can not get with other AAS.

to say "well i know from experience" just doesnt work cause there are way too many outside factors that could have made you gain the same with EQ as you did with tren, if that keeps happening you should find out why, cause it shouldnt be that way.

everyone is so scared of tren and everyone says how bad it is for you, yet no one can produce on single shred of evidence of its damage.

In fact tren (in an andorgen therapy study) proved to be more effective with less side effects than test..............................

 

[Trainwrek]

Try and tell that to me 5 minutes after I injected Tren A and got Tren cough so bad I fell on the floor coughing and thought I was going to die before it finally just stopped. I guess that's why I shy away from it. I've never done E though, as I've heard it is far less harsh as A. Tren cough was by far my worst experience using AAS.

 

[darkside06]

In many peoples eyes, tren is pound for pound the strongest compound for pure gains and stacks well with anything; although some may argue that its a No No while on nanodrolone aka deca however I have ran both successfully with no more or less problems than running them separate . Trenbolone significantly increases nutrient efficiency along mineral/vitamin absorption. Feed efficiency is the measurement of how much of an animal diet is converted into meat, and the more consumption of food it takes to finalize this meat, the lower the value. On the other hand, the less food consumed by the animal to finalize the meat; the higher the value/efficiency. As mentioned in the study above, Cattle given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet changed; leading to improved feed efficiency. This is music to the ears of every bodybuilder because Tren guarentees that every calorie you eat will go to some value of nutrition. This allows for better utlilization of the nutrition you intake to go to the muscles and organs of the body. This would explain why the cattle grew so rapidly while on Finaflex pellets.

Trenbolone is one of the few anabolic androgenic steroids that can lead to fat loss without change in diet, and it also has scholarly literature stating so. This makes it perfect on a recomp as you will lose all fat needed but pack on dense muscle at the same time, dont get me wrong; you can still use it for other goals including bulking and cutting.

The Trenobolone Experience by Needtogetaas - Need To Build Muscle Inc. Official Blog

there is a nice article explaining why those 2 things are so huge for tren. until someone can give me some evidence that any other steroid can do these things, then its obvious tren will give you results you can not get with other AAS.

to say "well i know from experience" just doesnt work cause there are way too many outside factors that could have made you gain the same with EQ as you did with tren, if that keeps happening you should find out why, cause it shouldnt be that way.

everyone is so scared of tren and everyone says how bad it is for you, yet no one can produce on single shred of evidence of its damage.

In fact tren (in an andorgen therapy study) proved to be more effective with less side effects than test..............................

^Amen bro!

Good info there

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Try and tell that to me 5 minutes after I injected Tren A and got Tren cough so bad I fell on the floor coughing and thought I was going to die before it finally just stopped. I guess that's why I shy away from it. I've never done E though, as I've heard it is far less harsh as A. Tren cough was by far my worst experience using AAS.

tren cough sux man for sure, but that the sweats and insomnia wouldnt be considered detrimetnal to your health IMO.

what i meant was tren actually had less effect on hemoglobin and kidney than test.

 

[Trainwrek]

Nah, none of it is probably detrimental, but holy shit when you REALLY think you're gonna die, you really think twice about doing it again or not.

 

[Trainwrek]

what i meant was tren actually had less effect on hemoglobin and kidney than test.

Aha, gotchya!

 

[darkside06]

Try and tell that to me 5 minutes after I injected Tren A and got Tren cough so bad I fell on the floor coughing and thought I was going to die before it finally just stopped. I guess that's why I shy away from it. I've never done E though, as I've heard it is far less harsh as A. Tren cough was by far my worst experience using AAS.

I only got Tren cough a few times, i think it was because i knicked a veign......right after i pinned i could almost smell and taste it. didn't happen everytime though...thank god!! i never had night sweats but i did have some crazy ass dreams!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

here is a review of the study by Millard Baker


The use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone has a long history in the bodybuilding but it has never really been considered a steroid suitable for therapeutic use in medicine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved tren for use in humans. The media has often demonized it as a dangerous veterinarian steroid never intended for human use. However, the perception of trenbolone may soon change with the publication of a favorable study in a major scientific journal.



Joshua Yarrow and his colleagues at the University of Florida feel that trenbolone may be a viable alternative to testosterone for androgen replacement therapy. They are set to publish their study results in the February 2011 issue of the American Journal of Physiology Endocrinology and Metabolism.

The researchers report that trenbolone enanthate may have certain advantages over testosterone that may make it an appealing treatment option for some individuals. Bodybuilders may be familiar with many of these findings.

Trenbolone is not adversely affected by the aromatase or 5-alpha reductase enzymes that metabolize testosterone into estradiol and dihydrotestosterone, respectively. Bodybuilders have enjoyed tren for years precisely because they are able to avoid steroid side effects related to estrogen and DHT.

Yarrow reports that low-dose trenbolone enanthate effectively produces anabolic effects in muscle size and partially maintains bone mineral density without causing prostate enlargement or polycythemia in castrated laboratory rats.

Supraphysiological dosages of testosterone enanthate were required to produce anabolic effects similar to low-dose trenbolone administration. However, negative side effects of prostate enlargement and elevated hemoglobin became problematic at this dose of testosterone.

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) may be the current darlings of scientific research into alternative options for androgen replacement therapy, but University of Florida researchers are excited by the SARM-like potential of trenbolone.

They suggest that the actions of trenbolone are similar to selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs). Low-dose trenbolone is called SARM-like because of the positive anabolic effects in muscle and bone without negative side androgenic side effects of prostate enlargement or polycythemia.

Trenbolone may have benefits over testosterone in terms of androgen receptor activation, the upregulation of growth factors such as IGF-1 and fibroblast growth factor, and anticatabolic mechanisms.

Competitive bodybuilders have often preferred using trenbolone in the weeks prior to a bodybuilding competition due to its purported effects at accelerating fat loss.

The current study confirmed that trenbolone has more potent lipolytic effects on visceral adipose tissue than testosterone milligram per milligram. Furthermore, visceral fat loss increased in a dose-dependent manner with trenbolone. In other words, the more tren used, the greater the fat loss.

Trenbolones lack of aromatization, while generally desirable, has often been problematic for bodybuilders who have used trenbolone as the only steroid in a cycle. Therefore, most bodybuilders include an aromatizable steroid such as testosterone or Dianabol in their trenbolone steroid stacks.

Researchers also recognize that the lack of aromatization could be a potential problem if trenbolone is used alone in androgen replacement therapy. In their study, trenbolone only provided a partial bone protective effect when administered to castrated rats. The authors attribute this to the non-aromatizable nature of trenbolone.

They conclude that low-dose trenbolone enanthate treatment has SARM-like effects on muscle/fat body composition. Androgen replacement therapy with low-dose trenbolone could potentially produce anabolic gains comparable to supraphysiological testosterone treatment without the associated side effects. The therapeutic risk-benefit profile of low-dose trenbolone appears superior to supraphysiological testosterone treatment; however, additional research into this treatment option is necessary.

The researchers should be applauded for dispassionately and objectively researching the potential of trenbolone in androgen replacement therapy. Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid that has been demonized more than others due to its limited use (in pellet implants used by veterinarians to increase muscle growth in livestock). Fortunately, they looked past the political stigma associated with trenbolone to revisit a therapeutic use for an old steroid.

Special thanks to Michael Scally, M.D. for his diligence in staying on top of anabolic steroid medical research and sharing this study with MESO-Rx.

Yarrow JF et. al. 7{beta}-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) Exhibits Tissue Selective Anabolic Activity: Effects on Muscle, Bone, Adiposity, Hemoglobin, and Prostate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Jan 25. [Epub ahead of print]

 

[tanuki]

I'm not a fan of running a huge amount of test while on a tren cycle. Currently doing 150mg of cyp per week and 50mg Ace ed. Working wonders for me. Eating garbage (burgers, pizzas, and buffets) while getting shredded and performing better at the gym than I ever did on 500mg of test per week. Libido's fine and side effects are negligible. Run with prami .10 mg ed and adex .10 mg ed.

Had the dreaded cough once and like others have said it's like death. Brought me to my knees.

 

[Repo]

Repo, so given what you said, a first Tren cycle should be 400 of Tren and 300 of test?

This is what I would recommend for someone who is ready for tren.

Some people might recommend starting at 200 and that would be ok.

I'm 45 and have been lifting most of my life and didn't start AAS until very late in the game - so for me, my body was well conditioned for my first tren cycle.

I started at tren 400 and test 750.

After leaning from DET and User about the advantage if running tren higher than test I changed to tren 800 and test 400.

From doing this the gains were much better and the sides were not any worse at all.

However this is an advanced cycle and I do not recommend anyone just jumping right into this ratio.

 

[Trainwrek]

Tren 800?? I've never heard of that high a dose.. wowsa.. you've gotta look like a fuckin rodeo bull

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

Trenbolone is AMAZING in two ways:


1. It can do things to your body that no other AAS can do and make you feel like a god by taking you to a level in the gym and in your skin that you never could imagine.


2. It can ruin your life!!! This shit is very EXTREMELY harsh on some people and not for people who even have to think to ask the question "Am I ready for Tren"!!!!

A bro should be wellllllll versed in AAS before risking the possible sides of tren. Not a chance to be taking!!!

 

[lowpuppy69]

i'm currently running ep tren ace 75mg and test prop 100mg eod and seeing amazing results. just started week 4 and all lifts are up around 20-25lbs. been dieting really well and have gained around 4lbs so far but i would say i have dropped 2% bd fat if i had to guess. amazing workouts, more deffinition, gaining some size,crazy vascularity through my shoulders and chest. everything is going super smooth so far. only problems i have encountered is at first i woke up a few times during the night, i cook my wife in the bed because of how hot i get while i sleep, really dont wake up sweating to much. muscle soreness from injection last a good day or so. other than that all good. The wife really enjoys is cause she gets screwed from a inch of her life about everytime. alsp running prami .25mg ed and letro .25mg e3d

 

[Chase]

Yep- Vanilla Ice from cool as Ice one of the worst movies ever.
Good info- don't get me wrong, I am fully aware of the search function but Tren is one of the compounds that half of the folks tell you to run it stacked with 8 diff substances and the other half tell you never run it at all. I run pretty mild cycles normally but Tren is always intriguing. I don't know how well I would do with the anxiety though. I am adding masteron to my next cycle which will be a first for me time run with that one.

 

[FFChiz]

I'm with DET and Repo on this topic. Tren is the best, period. All this noise we read over and over again about tren is more internet paranoia than anything. Yes, the steroid needs to be respected but if you plan out your cycle RESPONSIBLY then you can avoid a lot of side effects.
I, for example am on a Test Prop/Tren Ace EOD 12 wk cycle right now and im using more tren than test and I think its great. I'm also running Aromasin 12.5 ED and I'm alive and well. The sides I have encountered are night sweats, insomnia,and some irritability ( who isn't irritated on cycle?) Personally I think it also has to do with how sensitive the individual is to aromatization.

 

[Bullishness]

Currently running 600 Tren Ace and 500 Prop week cycle. IMO the Prami has way more sides than the tren and test put together. That shit hits me hard......Other than that it has been very smooth with Terrific gains. Don't listen to the negative noise, Try it for yourself. I packed on 25 lbs of solid muscle in 12-14 weeks.

 

[joshhutch]

Tren gives me crazy anxiety but I blast some Xanax to even out.. I was always under the assumption that it was the most legit gear out there.. But now after reading all of this I'm reconsidering using something milder so I don't loose my mind.. I'm pissed I already placed a order

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

benzodiazeppine with tren is not the best solution.

duloxetine is wayyyyyy better.

 

[Bullishness]

I never had anxiety with tren, Only night swimms, I mean night sweats. I expected alot of nasty sides from tren But it just didn't happen. And i am pinning m w f sun t thr sat. No problems at all, Just the Prami that shit sucks.