TRT and anger. Is there any relation?

[SJC]

I've been on TRT now for a year. 100mg of Cyp a week. I have Adex as well but I'm not real consitant with it. I use it when I feel or notice high E2 sides. I havent had bllod work in about 6 months(I know).

My wife has pointed it out to me on several occasions, actually a lot that I'm a dick and always am angry with her. She says its gotten worse since I started TRT. We as a couple are going through things the past year has has put a strain on our relationship but I think she is right. Something happend this weekend that was a HUGE D-bag, asshole, fucking prick ass mutherfucking move on my part. I was so mad at her over not answering texts or phone calls. The longer I waited the more pissed i got. When she finally called it was to inform me she was in an accident. Wasn't a terrible one but air bags were deployed and she was crying and losing her shit. Car is undriveable. My replay...." Now you want to fucking call" her.. "please come help me".. I then hang up!

This is unexcuseable to me and I'll never live that down. I failed as a partner and husband. I'm ging to get bloodwork done this week hopefully. Is there a test that can point me in the right direction or is this going to be life on TRT. If so I'll quit.

 

[Southernfish]

Dont blame your TRT protocol or steroids in general for that matter. Thats not the issue. With all due respect it sounds to me like you need to learn how to control your emotions. Or maybe you arent happy with her! Whatever the case may be dont blame your actions on TRT, take responsibility.

 

[SJC]

Dont blame your TRT protocol or steroids in general for that matter. Thats not the issue. With all due respect it sounds to me like you need to learn how to control your emotions. Or maybe you arent happy with her! Whatever the case may be dont blame your actions on TRT, take responsibility.

I am taking responsibility. I'm not trying to place a blame on any one thing. I'm trying to figure out how to solve the issue that I have. If you can blame low labido and feeling like shit on E2 or prolactin then I want to see if anger can be caused by some sort of other hormone that is out of control.

I have a problem and need to solve it.

 

[Southernfish]

Well go get some bloodwork brother. If you love this woman then we need to fix this, see where all your levels are at. Something must be off because a good TRT program or any dose of Test IMO should make you feel good and have no anger. At least that had been my experience.

 

[TRTnooby]

Could be from Aromatization, keep better track of your E2.

Estrogenic encounters: How interactions between aromatase and the environment modulate aggression
"
5. Conclusions
There is considerable evidence in a wide variety of species that estrogens play an important role in the regulation of aggressive behavior. Estrogen production is also influenced by the environment, in some cases by well described androgen based mechanisms, but in other cases by non-androgen based mechanisms that have yet to be fully characterized. Thus, estrogen signaling provides an important outlet for social interactions to feedback on behavior. Recent studies suggest that estrogens may influence components of aggression in humans, such as hostility. Although most evidence suggests that estrogen has a negative effect on hostility in humans, further investigation may reveal additional diversity, as has been observed in estrogenic modulation of aggression in other vertebrates. The continued development of objective measures of hostility and aggression in humans should aid in the collection of more consistent results.important effects on the production of estrogen within the brain, and some cases can not be explained by androgenic regulation of aromatase. Such changes in central aromatase activity may play an important role in determining how social experiences affect the probability of whether an individual engages in aggressive behavior. Although studies have been conducted in many taxa, there has been relatively little integration between literatures examining aggression in different species. In this review, we compare and contrast studies examining aggression in birds, mammals, and humans. By taking an integrative approach to our review, we consider mechanisms that could explain species differences in how estrogen modulates aggression."

 

[Jimstigator]

That's a high dose of T to not need an AI. Yeah some guys get away with it, but not most.

Get sensitive e tested. I know when I am even a touch high, like in the 30-40s, I get moody as hell.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Your dose is pretty high. May I ask what your estradiol is 2 days from shot?
I'm pretty aggressive past 1200....
you are no doubt raising estradiol into the high range as well.
when my estradiol goes up I'm pretty vicious.

 

[SJC]

That's a high dose of T to not need an AI. Yeah some guys get away with it, but not most.

Get sensitive e tested. I know when I am even a touch high, like in the 30-40s, I get moody as hell.

-Jim

I'm going to get my blood work hopefully Wednesday. The past week I've been taking .25mg of Adex with every injection. Hopefully it is a side effect of high E2 in me.

 

[SJC]

Your dose is pretty high. May I ask what your estradiol is 2 days from shot?
I'm pretty aggressive past 1200....
you are no doubt raising estradiol into the high range as well.
when my estradiol goes up I'm pretty vicious.

Crap I just realized my Protocol is 100mg a week with split injections. 50mg each

 

[halfwit]

You're having relationship problems, and she's probably not your favorite person at times. You were upset with her and said something you didn't mean - sounds pretty normal to me.

Testosterone has loosened my tongue and made me a bit of a flirt, but I can't say it has made me into someone I'm not.

 

[Jimstigator]

I'm going to get my blood work hopefully Wednesday. The past week I've been taking .25mg of Adex with every injection. Hopefully it is a side effect of high E2 in me.

Well - now you won't know what your E2 was at 100mg T a week, and if that was a potential reason for the moodiness. That dose of adex might actually give you low estrogen (just as bad as high when it comes to mood).

-Jim

 

[Progress]

Yeah man get some blood work done and see whats going on. Its great your admitting your wrong and want to fix it, that was a real dick move on your part. Like stated above I think there is more to it than the test.

I am on 500/wk of test and think I have actually chilled out. Things don't seem to get to me like they used to.

 

[Billegitimate]

Man, I keep my E2 in check, but the higher my T the more relaxed and patient I become. I was annoyed and irritable when I was in the 300-450 total T range. At 900-1000 I'm just relaxed with everything and when I go higher I feel like I'm so in control of any outcome that nothing phases me.

There's more than just T at work for OP here. Perhaps some other hormonal issues combined with a relationship that needs work.

At this point, i suggest 12 words in 4 sentences:
I love you
I was wrong
I am sorry
Please forgive me

 

[3J]

why does everyone keep saying 100mg a week is a high dosage?? no.. it isn't.. lol


i also noticed myself more irritable when i started trt.. i believe its an e2 issue not a testosterone issue itself..

i had also just bought a puppy and was waking up every 2 hours in the night crate training her... and that added to my frustration..

but that's long gone now and i have no issues with anger in that sense.. so its more in your head than anything else i would say..

 

[Havasu]

why does everyone keep saying 100mg a week is a high dosage?? no.. it isn't.. lol


i also noticed myself more irritable when i started trt.. i believe its an e2 issue not a testosterone issue itself..

i had also just bought a puppy and was waking up every 2 hours in the night crate training her... and that added to my frustration..

but that's long gone now and i have no issues with anger in that sense.. so its more in your head than anything else i would say..

I was thinking the same thing about the 100mg dose. I am 6 weeks into 100mg a week, and my e2 at trough was 32.3. Total test was 603. I am beginning to up my dose slightly to 120mg a week, and will start to incorporate .25 of adex 1x a week, administered the day after my T injection to be active at peak to begin with. I'll add a second time a week if the bloods show it to be necessary. So far, I haven't noticed any sides though, even at peak.

Everyone's different though, and I would think irritation would be more from e2 than the Test.

 

[halfwit]

I was thinking the same thing about the 100mg dose. I am 6 weeks into 100mg a week, and my e2 at trough was 32.3. Total test was 603. I am beginning to up my dose slightly to 120mg a week, and will start to incorporate .25 of adex 1x a week, administered the day after my T injection to be active at peak to begin with. I'll add a second time a week if the bloods show it to be necessary. So far, I haven't noticed any sides though, even at peak.

Everyone's different though, and I would think irritation would be more from e2 than the Test.

Every married man in the world knows this is true.

Seriously, women see upwards of a 400% increase in estradiol before they have a period.

Also, any guys *raises hand* that have been estrogen dominant while hypogonadal know this to be true. I was one crabby bitch LOL.

 

[3J]

yea seriously... keep e2 in check.. and do some cbt... you'll be fine

 

[Mprtz]

why does everyone keep saying 100mg a week is a high dosage?? no.. it isn't.. lol
..

Original post erroneously read 200mg per week and was edited after some had already responded.

 

[Texan]

Could be from Aromatization, keep better track of your E2.

Estrogenic encounters: How interactions between aromatase and the environment modulate aggression
"
5. Conclusions
There is considerable evidence in a wide variety of species that estrogens play an important role in the regulation of aggressive behavior. Estrogen production is also influenced by the environment, in some cases by well described androgen based mechanisms, but in other cases by non-androgen based mechanisms that have yet to be fully characterized. Thus, estrogen signaling provides an important outlet for social interactions to feedback on behavior. Recent studies suggest that estrogens may influence components of aggression in humans, such as hostility. Although most evidence suggests that estrogen has a negative effect on hostility in humans, further investigation may reveal additional diversity, as has been observed in estrogenic modulation of aggression in other vertebrates. The continued development of objective measures of hostility and aggression in humans should aid in the collection of more consistent results.important effects on the production of estrogen within the brain, and some cases can not be explained by androgenic regulation of aromatase. Such changes in central aromatase activity may play an important role in determining how social experiences affect the probability of whether an individual engages in aggressive behavior. Although studies have been conducted in many taxa, there has been relatively little integration between literatures examining aggression in different species. In this review, we compare and contrast studies examining aggression in birds, mammals, and humans. By taking an integrative approach to our review, we consider mechanisms that could explain species differences in how estrogen modulates aggression."

Sorry I'm not sure I understand this
Is it saying estrogen is responsible for hostility and aggression f so that explains why my girl is a bitj

 

[Megatron28]

There is an inverse relationship between testosterone and anger. Higher testosterone generally mak guys happier and nicer. My wife loves me when my total testosterone is high. Nothing seems to phase me.

As already noted, what does make guys angry/cranky is high estradiol. See my signature below for how to get cheap, fast blood work.