Whacky & scary Lab Results

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ttjbt32

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I should be able to get a hold of Chip next week, but until then am interested in what you guys think.

I have just gotten my labs back after 12 weeks starting back on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol and some results are very concerning to me and I would welcome some feedback.

A little background:

I am 50 years old
5***8221;9, 220 lb, 22% bf

Started a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol last year around March because my test levels had dropped into the low 300***8217;s. Stayed on for about 6 weeks, but had some bad side affects***8230; no sleep, headaches, etc***8230;

So stopped until this past June and started back on a very conservative protocol Chip recommended: 100 test cyp every 5 days, 250iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and anti-E pill, the day after the test shot.

Also, because of high BF at the start and a desire to improve body compensation, I also started taking anavar , for 6 weeks.

I ended the anavar about a month ago (the results were fantastic.. dropped 35 lb and bf down 6%)

I did not experience the side affects this time on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as I did the first time. So kudos to Chip for getting me on the right path.

So after about 10 weeks on this testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) the results are as follows***8230;. Late June is when I took the first lab work before I started back. What concerns me is the test level, the estrogen levels and the PSA.

There was some good news along with the decreasing of bf%.. lipids are better in places, liver enzymes which were always a problem are better as well.


IGF -1 (94-252)

June, 2011 = 111
October, 2011 = 222

Estrogen (7.6 ***8211; 42.6)

June, 2011 = 70
October 2011 = 92


Estradiol, Sensitive (3-70)

June 2011 = 11
October 2011 = 6

Testosterone (200-800)

June 2011 = 596
October 2011 = 2096


SHBG

June 2011 = 42.6
October 2011 = 19.9


Total Cholesterol (100-200)

June 2011 = 233
October 2011 = 209

Triglycerides (0-149)

June 2011 = 208
October 2011 = 119

HDL (good)Cholesterol (39 or higher)

June 2011 = 39
October 2011 = 35

VLDL Cholesterol (5-40)

June 2011 = 42
October 2011 = 24

LDL (bad)Cholesterol (0-99)

June 2011 = 152
October 2011 = 150

PSA (0-4)

June 2011 = 2.2
October 2011 = 7.3




Yep you read it right... test is over 2000 !!!! Now get this.. when I was on the first protocol last year with Chip, I was doing 200mg test cyp and two injections of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a week and the highest my test got was 800. So now I am taking lower doses and it skyrockets.

The PSA of course is a worry... but some research tells me that both very high test and high estrogen can cause this. But will get to Doc soon to get a finger just to make sure.

THe good news is that I feel fine. No acne or anything like that... body composition is better than it has been... ever... of course with a test level like that I guess it should be... lol

I am sure Chip will have some wisdom for me when he returns, but welcome any thoughts from you guys.
 
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There's a fundamental incongruity between your dose and test level: need to get another lab and then go from there.

Your PSA level (actually the sharp increase) will disqualify you from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), so might even be worth repeating that also, since the consequences are not good no matter what.

I wouldn't worry about the other stuff until you get a good gripe on these two.
 
I'd be very concerned about the PSA number.

Prostatitis or related issues run in your family?

Do follow up on that for your own peace of mind.
 
TR2838 said:
You lost 35lbs in 6 weeks!!? That's amazing! What kind of nutrition and training were you doing?
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No.. sorry if I gave that impression... I would say it has been since May... but once I got back on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in July and added Anavar, my body composition really changed.

This is easily the best I have looked. Granted, I need to get my bf% below 20% and would love to get to around 15%..so a lot of time and work left to do.
 
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Ok guys ... an update... it was suggested to me that I get a couple of things tested after I got my initial lab results (see original post at the top)... bio availability and free test.

So my first lab results that you see in my original post was taken on 10/19 wich was about 4 days after my last injection of 100 test cyp. My test total was over 2000.

This new test was taken 10/25 and because I stopped the test injections after getting that 2000 reading, it was about 10 days after my last injection of test and here are the findings:

total test = 1375
Free test = 41.80
%Free +Weekly bound = 58.2
F+W Bound = 806

All of these are extremely high... again I have been on only 100 test cyp every five days and 1 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) of 250iu every 5 days.

I have stopped the injections until I can figure this out and get to Chip at some point... the good thing is even thought I am 10 days past the last injection, I feel fine.. no crashing.

Still just cant figure out how last year when I was on a protocol I was taking 200 test cyp every week and never got over 800 and now once I started back about 3 months ago I am only on 100 test cyp every 5 days and it jumps up like this.

Any thoughts?
 
Were you using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) last time? That stimulates natural Test production that will add to the injection dosage.
 
ttjbt32 said:
Ok guys ... an update... it was suggested to me that I get a couple of things tested after I got my initial lab results (see original post at the top)... bio availability and free test.

So my first lab results that you see in my original post was taken on 10/19 wich was about 4 days after my last injection of 100 test cyp. My test total was over 2000.

This new test was taken 10/25 and because I stopped the test injections after getting that 2000 reading, it was about 10 days after my last injection of test and here are the findings:

total test = 1375
Free test = 41.80
%Free +Weekly bound = 58.2
F+W Bound = 806

All of these are extremely high... again I have been on only 100 test cyp every five days and 1 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) of 250iu every 5 days.

I have stopped the injections until I can figure this out and get to Chip at some point... the good thing is even thought I am 10 days past the last injection, I feel fine.. no crashing.

Still just cant figure out how last year when I was on a protocol I was taking 200 test cyp every week and never got over 800 and now once I started back about 3 months ago I am only on 100 test cyp every 5 days and it jumps up like this.

Any thoughts?
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This could be a function of the timing of your injection.

If you injected the 200mg on Monday and then tested your blood the following Monday prior to injection, your levels very well have fallen off by as much as half. So you may have had 1500+ levels that dropped off to 800 over the course of the week.

That was the issue I was having with 1X weekly injections of 200 mg. I'd hit close to 2000 48 hours after injection and I'd fall off to around 1000 after 7 day prior to my next injection.

Those types of swings can be dramatic and cause some additional issue in terms of aromitization and such.

At 100mg every 5 days, you may very well have a smaller more stable range that has more condensed peeks and valleys.

That is also where I am now that I inject 100 mg every 84 hours.
 
cashout said:
This could be a function of the timing of your injection.

If you injected the 200mg on Monday and then tested your blood the following Monday prior to injection, your levels very well have fallen off by as much as half. So you may have had 1500+ levels that dropped off to 800 over the course of the week.

That was the issue I was having with 1X weekly injections of 200 mg. I'd hit close to 2000 48 hours after injection and I'd fall off to around 1000 after 7 day prior to my next injection.

Those types of swings can be dramatic and cause some additional issue in terms of aromitization and such.

At 100mg every 5 days, you may very well have a smaller more stable range that has more condensed peeks and valleys.

That is also where I am now that I inject 100 mg every 84 hours.
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I was doing 100mg every 5 days not 200mg... that was what I was doing a year ago. now the 100mg e5d has raised my test more than the 200mg once a week did
 
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ttjbt32 said:
I was doing 100mg every 5 days not 200mg... that was what I was doing a year ago. now the 100mg e5d has raised my test more than the 200mg once a week did
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I understand that. My point was on 200 mg per week in a single shot, your test level will be highest 48 hours after your shot. From there it will drop markedly over the course of the next 5 days.

On 100 E5D it will be more stable and higher at certain points during the week compared to the 1X 200 mg schedule.

So, again, my point is that it could be due to some timing differences between your blood draws and your shots.
 
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