what are the chances of gyno
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anyone?
DADAWG
Community Veteran
gyno does happen BUT COMMA. gyno has become a internet myth/legend , the paranoia that has come from this is amazing . i have actually had more than 1 guy contact me in a full blown panic swearing they have full blown gyno the day they start their cycle lol. the vast majoirty of gyno reports on the internet are bullshit , these guys poke /pull on /examine/prod their nipple constantly searching for gyno symptoms until their nipples are sore , swollen and raw then panic thinking this sore /swollen/rawness is from gyno when its actually from them playing with their nipple constantly .
imo 99% of the people here can run moderate dose test in the 400-600 mg a week of test range with ZERO protection from gyno and out of the 1% of the ones that are left a little adex or aromasin like you have planned is enough to take care of them. that does leave that .01% who really have a problem but thats pretty slim odds.
ps dont just worry about gyno , always moniter blood pressure when on cycle . the excess estrogen is far more likely to cause high blood pressure from estrogen bloat than it is to cause REAL gyno.
thx alot your help is greatly appreciated. I just always here these horror stories about young guys getting gyno mid cycle that become irreversable, but i never actualy see anyone in RL.
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Kane_Red_Machine
Guest
i've seen one guy, a professionnal bycker who got this and made surgery, but he wasn't running test-only, he was running at least, if i remember well 5 or 6 different compounds.
i never met a guy which got gyno with testo cycle. or either.
just peoples scarryed about.
Albatross Kingdom
New member
I knew a guy who had to have surgery,but he had no idea what post cycle therapy (pct) was. But as stated above this is even rare, considering the number of people who have no clue what they are doing the chances are quite low.
Dawg and Kane are both correct, but I think it's 50/50. You are either prone or not. I get gyno from test only, and in the first couple weeks.
Let's clarify what my "Gyno" is. I have a pea sized hard knot. You can't see it. Then when on higher doses directly around my nipple will get a little puffy, and I'm talking a cm or two, directly around the actual nipple. If I let it go and use no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at all I will get kinda lump, but I don't need to play with my nips for 20 minutes to find it.
I don't have or grow tits and it's so easy to manage and at it's very worst you could kinda see my nip thru a t shirt. So let's quit freaking about it, it's really not a big deal at all, it's not all that common. Some guys I know get it from running to many things at to high of doses. If I showed you guys a pic you would all say you don't have gyno, why?, because it's just small and lumpy/hard. If I come off it goes away almost completely except the small pea size knot.
I use about 1/5 of the normal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) doses, adex .3 a week, letro .5 a week, aromisin 6.25 eod. That's all I need. There is no point in me trying to get rid of this little bit of gyno when on because I feel much better with some estro.
Honestly my woman is the only one who knows its there because she likes to play with it, lol, but there is no reason to freak.
I'm sure dawg and Kane remember the days when we couldn't get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and were lucky to get nolva. Back then I would still have to run a good amount of test to get a lump and add in some dbol and one time I did have one nipple that was puffy but I mean right around the nipple where the gland is.
You aren't going to grow tits, it's not the end of the world, it's not even a big deal at all. We use to get a few nolva from my buddies mom who was a drug rep, and she would get so pissed but we would tell her we were growing breasts lol, after she caught my buddy stealing them from her, but things were a little more relaxed back then as far as drugs go.
And everyone should read some studies on pubmed, toremifene has shown to block gyno as good as nolva, but with a decreased risk of DVT, blood clotting, so I see no use for nolva these days and Torem has shown to be good for lipids also.
Let's be men about this, we chose to play with hormones, they have some effects on certain people, deal with it properly by researching and knowing how to handle it or stay natural. I think everyone should use some Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but I think guys are using way to much, I use tiny amounts to help manage estro, but many guys need more than I do, but bigger is not better with any of this stuff.
Quit being bitches, you don't have tits, and if by some odd chance you did, we would probably like you more, wait I think I just said I like tranny's.
Let's clarify what my "Gyno" is. I have a pea sized hard knot. You can't see it. Then when on higher doses directly around my nipple will get a little puffy, and I'm talking a cm or two, directly around the actual nipple. If I let it go and use no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at all I will get kinda lump, but I don't need to play with my nips for 20 minutes to find it.
I don't have or grow tits and it's so easy to manage and at it's very worst you could kinda see my nip thru a t shirt. So let's quit freaking about it, it's really not a big deal at all, it's not all that common. Some guys I know get it from running to many things at to high of doses. If I showed you guys a pic you would all say you don't have gyno, why?, because it's just small and lumpy/hard. If I come off it goes away almost completely except the small pea size knot.
I use about 1/5 of the normal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) doses, adex .3 a week, letro .5 a week, aromisin 6.25 eod. That's all I need. There is no point in me trying to get rid of this little bit of gyno when on because I feel much better with some estro.
Honestly my woman is the only one who knows its there because she likes to play with it, lol, but there is no reason to freak.
I'm sure dawg and Kane remember the days when we couldn't get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and were lucky to get nolva. Back then I would still have to run a good amount of test to get a lump and add in some dbol and one time I did have one nipple that was puffy but I mean right around the nipple where the gland is.
You aren't going to grow tits, it's not the end of the world, it's not even a big deal at all. We use to get a few nolva from my buddies mom who was a drug rep, and she would get so pissed but we would tell her we were growing breasts lol, after she caught my buddy stealing them from her, but things were a little more relaxed back then as far as drugs go.
And everyone should read some studies on pubmed, toremifene has shown to block gyno as good as nolva, but with a decreased risk of DVT, blood clotting, so I see no use for nolva these days and Torem has shown to be good for lipids also.
Let's be men about this, we chose to play with hormones, they have some effects on certain people, deal with it properly by researching and knowing how to handle it or stay natural. I think everyone should use some Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but I think guys are using way to much, I use tiny amounts to help manage estro, but many guys need more than I do, but bigger is not better with any of this stuff.
Quit being bitches, you don't have tits, and if by some odd chance you did, we would probably like you more, wait I think I just said I like tranny's.
DADAWG
Community Veteran
cut the bull shit
Needtogetaas
New member
Receptors my friend.. One person may have super sensitive receptors and the other may have no sensitivity at all . One may have higher SHBG and another way have higher DHT than others these can all play roles.
You should always have what you need to fight any kind of gyno on hand before you even look at a steroid though.
Roid The Lloyd
New member
You've probably got more chance of choking on a peanut than you have getting gyno on a moderate dose of test.
I have everything ready, i was just making sure, thx for the help guys
Bullseye Forever
Prince of Darkness
Dude just listen to DADAWG and Userat204,they are very professional and know thier stuff from backwards to forwards
,trust me man on this.
I will mention something else about estradiol being to high while using test,most guys with a high BF%,including me,i havet to use a higher dose of aromasin,not because of gyno,but test conversion to estrogen,i get my bloods checked about every month while on cycle to make sure im managing my problem correctly and dose accordingly,you wont "see" and side effects with aromaztion,but your test will be tied up and converted to estrogen,meaning more bloat and water plus test wont work in gaining,just a thought
and User also is so right on the BP issue,keep it checked regular,gyno i dont even worry about it,but BP will really mess you up as in heart problems etc,and the higher the BF you have the more likely the higher your BP will be,i havet to take BP meds for mine,even off cycle,so please watch your BP and dont panic about gyno,it would be the least of my worries
,trust me man on this.
I will mention something else about estradiol being to high while using test,most guys with a high BF%,including me,i havet to use a higher dose of aromasin,not because of gyno,but test conversion to estrogen,i get my bloods checked about every month while on cycle to make sure im managing my problem correctly and dose accordingly,you wont "see" and side effects with aromaztion,but your test will be tied up and converted to estrogen,meaning more bloat and water plus test wont work in gaining,just a thought
and User also is so right on the BP issue,keep it checked regular,gyno i dont even worry about it,but BP will really mess you up as in heart problems etc,and the higher the BF you have the more likely the higher your BP will be,i havet to take BP meds for mine,even off cycle,so please watch your BP and dont panic about gyno,it would be the least of my worries
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Sorry to bump an oldish thread but is this actuall y true that there is a very slim likelyhood of gyno developing? I'm starting a cycle soonish and my main concern was developing gyno (ill have some liquidex on hand anyways). would the actual number who are prone be something like 1 in 10? And if it were only a test cycle, if you were prone, did a whole 15 week cycle and didn't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), to what extent would gyno occur? Would you have noticible breasts?
This is mostly out of interest...
This is mostly out of interest...
