what are your thoughts on this?

texas75068

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im currently 18 years old and have been heavily considering the use of anabolics since ive found a legit source for them. i have a lot of friends jumping on and i cant seem to keep up anymore. ive read alot about the potential sides of steroid use at my age but im still a bit confused. As all of my friends seem to be ok and they are running a ton of stuff. if i do decide to do a cycle would test 3 500mgs a week be good? of course id also have all the proper ancillaries and pct in line. im just curious to see as what some experienced aas users would like to say on this subject.
 
Compete with just yourself and you won't have this problem. Don't know about everyone else, but when I was a teen, I wouldn't tell my buds if I had pecker problems. ;)
 
Its not the short term effects that you need to worry about. Its the long term, THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
 
If your friends were smashing each other in the nuts and were loving it would you do that too?

Too many followers in todays society!
 
If your friends were smashing each other in the nuts and were loving it would you do that too?

Too many followers in todays society!

It depends on how much fun they appear to be having....? :wiggle:

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D
 
keep your head in the game.. focus on your nutrition and kill it in the gym..

its not time for anabolics.. your natty test levels are high enough to make great gains.. its your time to shine naturally.. wait till youre 25 then consider the use of anabolics..

its not a magic pill..

the long term consequences of using gear at your age suck..
 
All of the medical reasons for not cycling young aside, I would agree to leave AAS alone until you're 25+ and here's why. I started training about 14-15 years ago, and I've had many gym friends/training partners and here is what I would say based on my experience. First off, I find (most of the time) the people who stay natural longer tend to be better off, not only health wise but in terms of long term gym progress. When you're natural, you have to learn how to modify every aspect of your diet and training to get the results you want, whether it be physically, strength wise etc. I think this also makes you mentally tougher, struggling for gains and having to throw everything you have at it, and puts you in a better position mentally to deal with bumps in the road like injuries, along the way and bounce back from them. I've known 5 guys that have openly admitted to me they were cycling, and then myself (I also started a little too young IMO). Of the 6 of us, I'm the only one who still trains...like at all (except one, who recently came out for one workout with me and never came again). One is really sad because he actually had the genetics to be an extremely competitive bodybuilder. However he started AAS at I think 17-18 and never developed the real work ethic, it was easy for him to keep seeing gains by throwing more drugs at his physique and see improvements but when an injury took him out he didn't have the mental tenacity to work his way back up. Another one who also started at 18 is pretty much a walking billboard for low test symptoms, and the rest just got caught up in being young. Which brings me to my next point. You're 18, and have no clue what life has in store for you. The next probably 10 years in your life are likely going to be the most unstable/unpredictable years you'll have whether it be college, jobs, traveling, women (or men if that's what you are into), partying ect. Now I'm not saying you won't continue to love to train, but the reality is life happens and 5 years from now training may be way down your priority list, so why do something now that could negatively affect you in the future? I did a few cycles between 21-23ish and then as my life began to change, the gym became less and less of a priority and it was another probably 3 years before I started to take it seriously again. On the note of not being able to keep up with your friends, I recently worked out with one of the guys who started cycling at 18, even when we were natural he was always that little bit stronger than me and once he hopped on AAS I couldn't compete at all, but now here we are 10 years later and he couldn't even come close to me in the gym and let me tell you that feels real nice :). My point is that just from my personal experience I would recommend to everyone to hold off on cycling until at least 25.
 
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its not time for anabolics.. your natty test levels are high enough to make great gains.. its your time to shine naturally.. wait till youre 25 then consider the use of anabolics..
Thats a complete nonsense...my grandad has t levels of 650 at 65 and i have 560 at 26. Where is the age correlation now?
 
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And so many guys that cycle end up on trt, regardless of when they started. If you are over 30, you will not recover as well or as fast as a guy at 25, just because hes yunger and his body works better, you will probably end up on trt as well.
 
Thats a complete nonsense...my grandad has t levels of 650 at 65 and i have 560 at 26. Where is the age correlation now?

Your probably fat as fuck and eat mcdonalds 3 times a day. Party all the time and don't sleep enough.

Comparing 1 or 2 individuals to actual science and a population as a whole is retarded.
 
And so many guys that cycle end up on trt, regardless of when they started. If you are over 30, you will not recover as well or as fast as a guy at 25, just because hes yunger and his body works better, you will probably end up on trt as well.

TRT is a fairly new in the medical field. Science has know began to catch up. Natural test levels are always declining. Its just now peole can do something about it. DUMMY!
 
TRT is not new, you are new. Trt has been there at least since 1980. You clearly dont know what you are talking about.
And i am not fat nor have i ever been. I must say i have good genetics though. I party once a week and my diet is healthy lots of vegetables and fruit, some meat and no refined sugars.
And as far as retardation goes i dont think anyone knows about it as much as you.
 
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Thats a complete nonsense...my grandad has t levels of 650 at 65 and i have 560 at 26. Where is the age correlation now?

Lets look at the chart to see the Age Correlation.

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How about that? 25 year old and 65 year olds, on average, do have close to the same Total Testosterone levels.
 
TRT is not new, you are new. Trt has been there at least since 1980. You clearly dont know what you are talking about.
And i am not fat nor have i ever been. I must say i have good genetics though. I party once a week and my diet is healthy lots of vegetables and fruit, some meat and no refined sugars.
And as far as retardation goes i dont think anyone knows about it as much as you.

While testosterone replacement is not a new concept or practice, SJC is correct in that it has not been mainstream until the last couple years. It originally was ONLY prescribed for those that had a genetic defect such as Klinefelter's or for castrated males.

My doctor is in his early 40's, and they just started including TRT as part of the curriculum when he was in med school - so I'd refrain from making such a claim.

The risks for AIH (Androgen Induced hypogonadism) are going to vary from individual to individual, but the folks still in puberty (pre-25), are at a higher risk for problems because their bodies are still in a condition of change. AAS can interrupt this delicate time - leading to hypogonadism, or other endocrine issues.

Oh, and being able to party once a week doesn't mean anything regarding genetics. I have a close friend that's an alcoholic, and he drinks a case of beer a night, yet his liver and kidneys come back at better values than 90% of this board. Now THAT is an example of insane genetics. :p
 
Megatron, you posted that chart. Nice. But now you have to look at it. And understand what it is telling you. If you look at the 20 year olds on the chart, their testosterone ranges from about 280 up to 850. Now if we look at how average value varies with age, it is from about 650 at the age of 40 to 350 at the age of 100. So we can conlude that the values vary from person to person much more than they do with age. Therefore making statements: at 20 y o you have so much test in your system that you can make huge gains tralala is a complete bs.
 
Megatron, you posted that chart. Nice. But now you have to look at it. And understand what it is telling you. If you look at the 20 year olds on the chart, their testosterone ranges from about 280 up to 850. Now if we look at how average value varies with age, it is from about 650 at the age of 40 to 350 at the age of 100. So we can conlude that the values vary from person to person much more than they do with age. Therefore making statements: at 20 y o you have so much test in your system that you can make huge gains tralala is a complete bs.

Thanks Lenex. Come back when you understand the statistical concepts of averages and standard deviations along with Regression Analysis and Correlation Coefficients. Then we can have a meaningful conversation perhaps.
 
Thanks Lenex. Come back when you understand the statistical concepts of averages and standard deviations along with Regression Analysis and Correlation Coefficients. Then we can have a meaningful conversation perhaps.
i very much appreciate yalls help on the subject. but i mean when you think about it having that physique that stands out at a young age is the best time! maybe im thinking of steroids for the wrong reasons. but i do know that making crazy gains would be super fun.
 
. Thanks Lenex. Come back when you understand the statistical concepts of averages and standard deviations along with Regression Analysis and Correlation Coefficients. Then we can have a meaningful conversation perhaps.
What is your profession? Cause i bet you dont know shit what you are talking about.
 
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