What can I use? Would prefer oral if worth it.

Jstack

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Hey I'm new to this forum.
I am 25 yr, weight 180 and I'm 5'5.
I have never been on anything but probably crap from over the counter.(never did anything). I'm looking for something that will cut me up, help me loose some weight and maybe gain some muscle. I've been on diets I exersice 3 to 4 times a week. I do 30-45 min cardio but don't see much of a diffrence. Pls help me out.
Im a Lil scared of side effects, but will take a chance if is something well recomended. Oh and I'll prefer something oral unless there is some injectables that won't have a high risk of side effects.
Thanks guys.
 
Well you dont wanna do an oral only cycle, the side effects are also higher with orals than injectables. Whats your training history look like? Do you know your body fat%?
 
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.


Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.
 
also i donot trec oral only cycles!

when all is in line somting along the ways of: 500mg testE ew wk1-14
then pct 1-2weeks AFTER last shot.

over time add this or that if you feel you want to.

if your not ready to pin anything then your notp ready for AAS.
theres alot to learn here my friend just keep reading.

post of a basic diet of yours for say the week or a few days out of week. to give us an idea.


no steroid is going to "cut you up" thats diet my friend
 
im not trying to look or get big, i feel like i have enough fat,(remember i am only 5'5 and weight 180, and most of the weight is fat) im just trying to turn my extra fat into muscle. im looking for something that will help me burn the fat and get me a lean body. i exercise 3 to 4 times a week, but don't see much of a diff. i take about 2,500 calories a day. I believe i have a slow metabolism. when you go to the gym and see results thats a motivation, and im not seen much much results.
 
talk to 3J.. hell hook you up with a diet.. i don know the kid personally but seems like he knows his shit when it comes to dieting.. steroids are def not your answer.. and just about everyone here is going to tell you the same.. and if 95 ppl out of 100 suggest something, then i think its safe to say thats your best bet..
 
im not trying to look or get big, i feel like i have enough fat,(remember i am only 5'5 and weight 180, and most of the weight is fat) im just trying to turn my extra fat into muscle. im looking for something that will help me burn the fat and get me a lean body. i exercise 3 to 4 times a week, but don't see much of a diff. i take about 2,500 calories a day. I believe i have a slow metabolism. when you go to the gym and see results thats a motivation, and im not seen much much results.

all of the above indicates amateurism. you clearly have no idea what you are doing in the gym or with your diet and you think steroids are the answer. you are dead fucking wrong. steroids don't help you lose weight even in the slightest. the only things that will help you lose weight are diet 85% and cardio 15%. please stop looking for a short cut and learn how to eat, you are insulting everyone here who has gone through extreme measures to be able to look the way you want to look. and it is impossible to turn fat into muscle....its like turning apples into oranges, two entirely different tissues. and you don't have a slow metabolism, that is what we call 'ignorance of proper dieting', please correct your assumptions.

Ill say it again because I am confident you will not listen to me: steroids do not make you lose bodyfat...you must learn how to diet
hop in the diet forum, you are in the wrong place.....good luck.
 
all of the above indicates amateurism. you clearly have no idea what you are doing in the gym or with your diet and you think steroids are the answer. you are dead fucking wrong. steroids don't help you lose weight even in the slightest. the only things that will help you lose weight are diet 85% and cardio 15%. please stop looking for a short cut and learn how to eat, you are insulting everyone here who has gone through extreme measures to be able to look the way you want to look. and it is impossible to turn fat into muscle....its like turning apples into oranges, two entirely different tissues. and you don't have a slow metabolism, that is what we call 'ignorance of proper dieting', please correct your assumptions.

Ill say it again because I am confident you will not listen to me: steroids do not make you lose bodyfat...you must learn how to diet
hop in the diet forum, you are in the wrong place.....good luck.

you rite Dtone mayB it is amateurism, mayB i dont know enough. this is the reason why im here to speak to people that know this stuff. thanks to those that answered me without any side effects, i appreciate it. and sorry for insultin you Dtone didnt know my curiosity was goin to annoy you.
 
I know you heard it a million times and it may not sound like teh right answer because it may seem to hard.. but its not.. You need to eat between 1600-1800 calories and do some cardio. Run stairs, do treadmills here is a secret. Its all about calories burned verses calories taken in.

Simple Math
3500 Calories = 1lb

You can loose ap ound of fat or gain a pound of fat. You can also loose a pound of muscle or gain a pound of muscle with 3500 Calories.

Your body on average burns roughly 2000 calories a day doing whatever you do normally. So if you eat 1600 calories you burn 400 calories doing nothing. You will also sed water weight so you will loose a little bit more. So if you burn lets say 500-600 calories a day at the gym thats 900-1000 calories you burn a day if you stick to your diet. In 3.5 days you will burn a pound of fat plus what ever water weight comes off. So every week roughly 2lbs. which is actually alot of weight. To stay focused dont look at your actualy weight that your at.. Look at how much weight you need to loose and the numbers will look much bigger.

Lets say you need to get to 150lbs so you need to loose 30lbs every pound you loose is 3.3% of your goal. So if you loose 2lbs in a week dont look at it as your at 278 look at it as you only have 28lbs left to loose. Keep it small and simple and look at the REAL big picture. 6.6% in one week is amazing. If you really push yourself you can loose 3-4lbs in a week. Believe me when you loose 10lbs your going to notice a huge change in how you look.

If you have shitty cardio here is a good sight to get you started
Cool Running :: The Couch-to-5K Running Plan

that will have you running 3 miles in 9 weeks

Good luck and keep it simple
 
I know you heard it a million times and it may not sound like teh right answer because it may seem to hard.. but its not.. You need to eat between 1600-1800 calories and do some cardio. Run stairs, do treadmills here is a secret. Its all about calories burned verses calories taken in.

Simple Math
3500 Calories = 1lb

You can loose ap ound of fat or gain a pound of fat. You can also loose a pound of muscle or gain a pound of muscle with 3500 Calories.

Your body on average burns roughly 2000 calories a day doing whatever you do normally. So if you eat 1600 calories you burn 400 calories doing nothing. You will also sed water weight so you will loose a little bit more. So if you burn lets say 500-600 calories a day at the gym thats 900-1000 calories you burn a day if you stick to your diet. In 3.5 days you will burn a pound of fat plus what ever water weight comes off. So every week roughly 2lbs. which is actually alot of weight. To stay focused dont look at your actualy weight that your at.. Look at how much weight you need to loose and the numbers will look much bigger.

Lets say you need to get to 150lbs so you need to loose 30lbs every pound you loose is 3.3% of your goal. So if you loose 2lbs in a week dont look at it as your at 278 look at it as you only have 28lbs left to loose. Keep it small and simple and look at the REAL big picture. 6.6% in one week is amazing. If you really push yourself you can loose 3-4lbs in a week. Believe me when you loose 10lbs your going to notice a huge change in how you look.

If you have shitty cardio here is a good sight to get you started
Cool Running :: The Couch-to-5K Running Plan

that will have you running 3 miles in 9 weeks

Good luck and keep it simple


I hope you are not telling him to eat 1600 calories a day. You do know that you need food to lose weight, right?
 
I hope you are not telling him to eat 1600 calories a day. You do know that you need food to lose weight, right?

I hope not ether. i eat 3000ish calories TO CUT!

thats lower carb high protein/fat diet.

carbs are somthing to control if you want to loos fat . and carbs you do have should be slow absorbing like oatmeal and pastas or rice and not late in the day,

sooo much to learn.

also you CANT TURN FAT INTO MUSCLE

the idea of it is silly.

i still hear peeps tell me "you need ot eat alot andthen turn the fat into muscle."
im just thinkignto myself "you are on another planet"
its like saying eating fat will make you fat but eating carbs wont.
just STUPID.

this "fast free" marketing is bullshit.
but the avrg person is to ill informed or stupid to know anybetter.
 
Eh, This advice works for alot of people.. especially someone as new to the game as him. He claims he s doing 45 minutes cardio and not able to loose anything while dieting. some people really dont know how to diet he is 180lbs how much muscle mass can he really loose? Especially when he says he needs to loose some fat. I don't know about you guys here but I would probally look sick (as in dieing) at 180lbs and Im 5 '7. 1600 calories would be devasting for US but for him. probally not so much. Besides when he gets to 150 Im sure he would wanna bulk up anyways. (Protein not juice hopefully because he doesnt sound ready for it) Muscle Memory is the damndest thing you know and he may loose what? 3 pounds of muscle at his weight... tops.
 
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