What is the board's take on diet sodas?

halfwit said:
Thanks bastards, now I have 24 garlic parmesan wings on the way. All this talk about food pushed me over the edge! (12 net grams of carbs for those in ketosis :p)
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Mmmmmm garlic parmesan wings are the bomb!!

I settled for chicken breasts and chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream tonight!!!
 
In my opinion diet sodas are not bad for you as their is no evidence to support all the claims that they cause cancer or make you obese by drinking them alone. However they can cause an insulin spike which will make the subject more likely to store the food they eat along with the diet soda as fat. But the food they are eating would most likely spike the insulin to create this effect anyways.

I agree with Ripped on his statements and backing it up with studies/articles.

I also will agree with 3J if a persons body is used to consuming 3000 calories a day and this puts them in a calorie surplus then that diet soda provides their body with empty calories and their body will still want to consume 3000 calories that day. Also someone who is getting a meal at fast food or something may say, oh well if I get a diet coke instead of a regular coke then I can get a large fry instead of a medium and it will balance out.

Also going back to the insulin response if a person drinks a diet soda and it releases the insulin it can cause someone to become hungry as their body thought it was about to get some type of food or sugar and this may cause them to eat even though they normally wouldn't be hungry.

Diet soda is not as good as H20 but it is certainly better than regular soda that's full of sugars. Regular soda will create the same hormonal responses as diet soda but will also have the extra 40g of sugar per can.
 
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Just thinking of your favorite food can create the hormonal response that causes hunger craving, shit after reading some of these posts I am now hungry myself. But its okay because I am bulking ;) so thanks.
 
cybrsage said:
Wait, what? only 12 net grams of carbs?
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It's the ONLY thing I can have from Pizza Hut right now. The naked ones are less, but they're often dried out IME. :)

ImAuNatural said:
In my opinion diet sodas are not bad for you as their is no evidence to support all the claims that they cause cancer or make you obese by drinking them alone. However they can cause an insulin spike which will make the subject more likely to store the food they eat along with the diet soda as fat. But the food they are eating would most likely spike the insulin to create this effect anyways.

I agree with Ripped on his statements and backing it up with studies/articles.

I also will agree with 3J if a persons body is used to consuming 3000 calories a day and this puts them in a calorie surplus then that diet soda provides their body with empty calories and their body will still want to consume 3000 calories that day. Also someone who is getting a meal at fast food or something may say, oh well if I get a diet coke instead of a regular coke then I can get a large fry instead of a medium and it will balance out.

Also going back to the insulin response if a person drinks a diet soda and it releases the insulin it can cause someone to become hungry as their body thought it was about to get some type of food or sugar and this may cause them to eat even though they normally wouldn't be hungry.

Diet soda is not as good as H20 but it is certainly better than regular soda that's full of sugars. Regular soda will create the same hormonal responses as diet soda but will also have the extra 40g of sugar per can.
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There can't be an insulin spike without detecting glucose. Just because aspartame and other artificial sweeteners taste sweet, doesn't mean the body really thinks it is.

I have to clear up that myth ALL the time. I'm a diabetic that keeps their glucose in very strict control, so if diet drinks were doing ANYTHING sinister in that regard, I'd know.

It's hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) that makes you crave more btw, not low. Not picking on you, just wanted to clarify that. :)
 
ImAuNatural said:
However they can cause an insulin spike which will make the subject more likely to store the food they eat along with the diet soda as fat.
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First of all, diet drinks actually causing an insulin response is still extremely questionable as the studies have been mixed on this issue.

Secondly, even if it did cause an insulin response it would be absolutely miniscule as illustrated by the fact that Type 1 diabetics don't need a shot of insulin every time they drink a diet soda.

Third, insulin spikes are absolutely irrelevant when in a caloric deficit and/or to people who live active lifestyles.

And finally, you cannot store diet drinks has fat. Where are the calories coming from? Thin air?


Schredder said:
Ohhh there is no skipping the fries brother. Its 2 BigMacs, 1 Cheeseburger, 1 Large fries.........then leg day.
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Living life on the edge I see ;)
 
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Mrrippedzilla said:
First of all, diet drinks actually causing an insulin response is still extremely questionable as the studies have been mixed on this issue.

Secondly, even if it did cause an insulin response it would be absolutely miniscule as illustrated by the fact that Type 1 diabetics don't need a shot of insulin every time they drink a diet soda.

Third, insulin spikes are absolutely irrelevant when in a caloric deficit and/or to people who live active lifestyles.

And finally, you cannot store diet drinks has fat. Where are the calories coming from? Thin air?




Living life on the edge I see ;)
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I think you misunderstood me, i didn't say the diet soda would be stored as fat. I said it may spike insulin and if you eat food along with the soda it may cause the food to be stored as fat due to the insulin spike from the diet soda.

I think whether or not it would cause any relevant spike would depend on the individuals insulin sensitivity.
 
halfwit said:
It's the ONLY thing I can have from Pizza Hut right now. The naked ones are less, but they're often dried out IME. :)



There can't be an insulin spike without detecting glucose. Just because aspartame and other artificial sweeteners taste sweet, doesn't mean the body really thinks it is.

I have to clear up that myth ALL the time. I'm a diabetic that keeps their glucose in very strict control, so if diet drinks were doing ANYTHING sinister in that regard, I'd know.

It's hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) that makes you crave more btw, not low. Not picking on you, just wanted to clarify that. :)
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That is where I was stating my opinion from based on insulin spike causing hyperglycemia thus increasing cravings. I could be wrong but I find that sometimes diet drinks tend to make me hungry.
 
halfwit said:
It's the ONLY thing I can have from Pizza Hut right now. The naked ones are less, but they're often dried out IME. :)



There can't be an insulin spike without detecting glucose. Just because aspartame and other artificial sweeteners taste sweet, doesn't mean the body really thinks it is.

I have to clear up that myth ALL the time. I'm a diabetic that keeps their glucose in very strict control, so if diet drinks were doing ANYTHING sinister in that regard, I'd know.

It's hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) that makes you crave more btw, not low. Not picking on you, just wanted to clarify that. :)
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Not trying to argue with you at all, i love to learn and read research. Do you happen to have any research on hand that shows aspartame has no effect on insulin or that glucose will only cause an insulin spike?
 
ImAuNatural said:
I think you misunderstood me, i didn't say the diet soda would be stored as fat. I said it may spike insulin and if you eat food along with the soda it may cause the food to be stored as fat due to the insulin spike from the diet soda.

I think whether or not it would cause any relevant spike would depend on the individuals insulin sensitivity.
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In that case the real life relevance of such a situation would be zero since the meal itself spikes insulin anyway.

Sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture to understand just how irrelevant this apparent insulin spike is.
We know that diet drinks are very low calorie and we also know that the majority of the evidence suggests they help satisfy the craving for sweet food WITHOUT inducing hunger:

Does diet-beverage intake affect dietary consumption patterns? Results from the Choose Healthy Options Consciously Everyday (CHOICE) randomized cli... - PubMed - NCBI

So if your drinking something that has little caloric content that is satisfying your craving for sweet, caloric foods without inducing further hunger....what impact does this minimal insulin spike have?
Answer: It has no impact whatsoever :)
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
In that case the real life relevance of such a situation would be zero since the meal itself spikes insulin anyway.

Sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture to understand just how irrelevant this apparent insulin spike is.
We know that diet drinks are very low calorie and we also know that the majority of the evidence suggests they help satisfy the craving for sweet food WITHOUT inducing hunger:

Does diet-beverage intake affect dietary consumption patterns? Results from the Choose Healthy Options Consciously Everyday (CHOICE) randomized cli... - PubMed - NCBI

So if your drinking something that has little caloric content that is satisfying your craving for sweet, caloric foods without inducing further hunger....what impact does this minimal insulin spike have?
Answer: It has no impact whatsoever :)
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The bold font is also exactly what I was saying, the food will cause this effect anyway so diet soda alone will not cause you to gain fat.

Also everything I said was in my own opinion and from personal experience. I find that when I have a diet soda I get more hungry and i then tend to crave something sweet. This doesnt happen all the time but it does happen on occasion. It also however has helped me during cutting to help cure that sweet tooth without the sugars. Im not for or against diet sodas at the moment.
 
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Diet drinks don't work for everyone when it comes to satisfying hunger and your certainly entitled to your opinion.

As long you don't accuse me of having my head up my ass we're all good :)
 
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As someone who has recently dieted down to 'almost' show condition, I can testify to the fact that you get hit with the most unusual cravings...

I rarely drink soda of any type throughout the year, however a few weeks into the cut, I found my taste buds were demanding all sorts of shit that I never normally hanker for.

Diet Pepsi and Coke Zero bailed me out of a tight spot on a few occasions when I found myself reaching for something a LOT harsher.
 
i do not believe we know everything there is to know about sugar alcohols yet... i agree that the research that we have seen doesn't raise any red flags, but i myself do not let my contest prep clients have diet drinks..


what i really want to see is studies more focused on the liver with diet drinks...

i have seen short term studies that show the liver is just fine with diet drinks and the worst side effect is the runs... so im not itching to pull a trigger here and shoot it down.. what im concerned with is if it may disrupt the liver from doing other important things...
 
3J said:
i do not believe we know everything there is to know about sugar alcohols yet... i agree that the research that we have seen doesn't raise any red flags, but i myself do not let my contest prep clients have diet drinks..


what i really want to see is studies more focused on the liver with diet drinks...

i have seen short term studies that show the liver is just fine with diet drinks and the worst side effect is the runs... so im not itching to pull a trigger here and shoot it down.. what im concerned with is if it may disrupt the liver from doing other important things...
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I would rather develop my views from the available data rather than stick to a "hunch" based on nothing. Just saying.

Either way, here is a 6 month trial showing diet drinks to have the same impact on the liver as water - in other words, no negative implications whatsoever:

Sucrose-sweetened beverages increase fat storage in the liver, muscle, and visceral fat depot: a 6-mo randomized intervention study. - PubMed - NCBI
 
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