What kind of stacks were the top guys doing in the "Pumping Iron" era?

[LogarithmicIntensity]

Anyone know what a typical pro-level Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) regimen looked like in the late 70's? What were guys like Arnonld and Mentzer doing? I know it must have been vastly less than the pro's are doing today.

 

[Deepglute]

The following was taken from Trevor Smith's magazine, "GEAR U.Z.R." from a few years ago. The anonymous author went by the pen name "deep injection":

Steroid use over the past 40 years has gone through a pletho-
ra of changes and it is often interesting to hear what people's
opinions are in terms of what was taken and how much.
Having been around the scene for such a long period of time I can
tell you that I have EXACT knowledge on what was done for the
past 40 years. Let's take a look at the steroid use timeline.

1960's: The common vogue during this time period was amazing-
ly simplistic and EXTREMELY conservative. Guys like Scott,
Howorth, Oitiz, Draper, etc....would literally debate over whether
they should up the dosage of D-BOL from 3 to 4 pills per day!! It
was only in the latter part of the 60's that Deca was added to the
D-bol. Typically during this era, the bodybuilders would stay on
maybe 4 months out of the year and take the remaining 8
months off.

1970's: The D-Bol and Deca was still the preferred stack in the
early part of the 70's and in fact, most bodybuilders would use this
stack up to a show only dropping the D-Bol 3 days before the con-
test. As the decade progressed, other stacks were experimented
with such as Anadrol/Anavar....Deca/Winstrol. ..and Arnold's per-
sonal favorite: Primobolan Acetate and D-Bol. Towards the end of
the decade, thyroid drugs were just starting to be experimented
with for that ultra-ripped look. Typically during this era in body-
building, the bodybuilders would stay on for maybe 6 months out
of the year max and have at least 6 months clean.

 

[LogarithmicIntensity]

Thanks! Just what I was looking for.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

The idea these guys were conservitive is crap - Everyone of those guys was ultra competitive. They might not have been doing 2 grams / week, but i highly doubt it was 175 mg. They would have done enough to get ahead.

 

[Deepglute]

The idea these guys were conservitive is crap

How the hell would you know, were you taking Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) 30 years ago? The author didn't even mention dosages used during the 70's.

A truly intelligent person would understand that everything including bodybuilding-AAS use, must evolve. These guys understood that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are powerful drugs that must have potentially negative side effects. Unfortunately in the 70's there was virtually no factual knowledge of the side effects. Dan Duchaine was the first to recommend the use of Nolvadex to combat gyno, sometime in the late 80's, and that was just based on theory.

Bodybuilders in general during the 70's relied much more on heavy training than the newbies of today. Today's newbies think it's all about the drugs, and they train like pussies!

 

[Skarhead1]

arnold only took 10mg of dbol and 1 cc of primo wkly

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

How the hell would you know, were you taking Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) 30 years ago? The author didn't even mention dosages used during the 70's.

A truly intelligent person would understand that everything including bodybuilding-AAS use, must evolve. These guys understood that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are powerful drugs that must have potentially negative side effects. Unfortunately in the 70's there was virtually no factual knowledge of the side effects. Dan Duchaine was the first to recommend the use of Nolvadex to combat gyno, sometime in the late 80's, and that was just based on theory.

Bodybuilders in general during the 70's relied much more on heavy training than the newbies of today. Today's newbies think it's all about the drugs, and they train like pussies!

And i'll stand on my head believing all that-

Mentzer was known for using very high amounts.
Frank Zane today still has thyroid problems from the amount of T3 he used.

Do you really think that if somone had a chance to win the Mr. Olympia that they were going to be conservative. NO they would do whatever it took.

 

[Deepglute]

Mentzer was known for using very high amounts..

Unless you were a very close personal friend of Mentzer, you would have no idea just what doses of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) he used. No one in the highest level of professional bodybuilding ever openly discloses to the general public their drug regimen.

Frank Zane today still has thyroid problems from the amount of T3 he used...

Please provide us with a verifiable statement from Frank Zane or his doctor which confirms this.

Do you really think that if somone had a chance to win the Mr. Olympia that they were going to be conservative.

Conservative by what standards? Your whole position is based purely on presumption and speculation. In truth you have absolutlety no idea exactly what doses of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) the top BBers of the 70's were using.

NO they would do whatever it took.

The truth is, you have no idea what it takes. It seems your making all these presumptions simply to feel less inadequate about yourself.

 

[DocJ]

And i'll stand on my head believing all that-

Mentzer was known for using very high amounts.
Frank Zane today still has thyroid problems from the amount of T3 he used.

Do you really think that if somone had a chance to win the Mr. Olympia that they were going to be conservative. NO they would do whatever it took.

I've personally spoke with a training partner of Mentzer's and he said they took 200mg durabolin E3D during the time they trained together...is that a high amount?

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

Unless you were a very close personal friend of Mentzer, you would have no idea just what doses of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) he used. No one in the highest level of professional bodybuilding ever openly discloses to the general public their drug regimen.

Please provide us with a verifiable statement from Frank Zane or his doctor which confirms this.


Conservative by what standards? Your whole position is based purely on presumption and speculation. In truth you have absolutlety no idea exactly what doses of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) the top BBers of the 70's were using.


The truth is, you have no idea what it takes. It seems your making all these presumptions simply to feel less inadequate about yourself.

Wel l guess by what you just said you have no idea either since no one knows-

As far as feeling inadequat - Doubt that I could really care less what others do or want to accomplish. FUNNY THING IS I'M THE ONE HELPING GUYS GET THERE.

 

[rockape76]

i watched pumping iron again the other night....and was once again amazed at these guys physiques ...considering back then they had limited access to the drugs of today no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) no anti -e......no glutamine ,no creatine and correct me if im wrong but i doubt they had whey protein either.....maybe just egg protein.......they got big and ripped from whole food ,heavy weights and years and years of training....arnold had been training for close to 13 years at that stage..........muscle maturity......they had it in spades.......whatever they used i doubt they used it in todays more is better mindframe.....i firmly believe the doses were very conservative it was the years and years of consistent training that gave these guys there physiques.........
really none of us will ever no the truth we can only speculate..........................

 

[khalnayak]

Its a waste of time to debate this subject.Who cares what they used?Following their cycle and dosage wont make you look like them!

 

[Thoms]

They used the basic steroids- test, deca, anadrol, d-boll, anavar, primo, winstrol. Funnily I don't recall them using tren.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

I agree that its a waste of time - but to sit here and believe a story that they sat around all the time to discuss if they should up from 3 dbols to 4 is plain stupid.

Why is hard to belive that people wouldn't think more is better. We as humans have ALWAYS thought more is better. It just doesn't have to be drugs either. We are a society of Excess no matter what the product might be.

 

[markmansell]

gotta agree with moneyshot here,

with the bodybuilding mentallity of "more is better" i'm sure at least some of them must have been experimenting with the higher dosages.

also bear in mind that when people are forced to admit something like steroid use, they're bound to try to minimalise it

"hey arnie! is it true that you took steroids"

"um yes, but it wasn't much, and only a few days out from a big competition"

 

[khalnayak]

but to sit here and believe a story that they sat around all the time to discuss if they should up from 3 dbols to 4 is plain stupid.

Maybe the dbol was 50mg each
Correct me if im wrong,read it somewhere,arnold saying magic happens at 200mg of dbol???

 

[roccodart440]

It's true that a debate about how many tabs of a compound to take does little to identify the doses taken.

 

[DocJ]

Another thing to keep in mind is that alot of these guys in the 60's didn't even know that dbol could cause negative sides. They viewed it like we view vitamins in the current day.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

Another thing to keep in mind is that alot of these guys in the 60's didn't even know that dbol could cause negative sides. They viewed it like we view vitamins in the current day.

Very True-

I should reiterate my point that I don't think they were doing anything like today. IE: Grams but it was a lot more then 15 - 20 mg of Dbol / day

I would guess in the range of 600 - 1,000 mg / week TOTAL.

 

[Bast]

I have a friend who is a Pro, competed alot back in the early 90's
He didnt use that much gear, and was off for 4 months in between often.

They used, test, dbol, deca and anadrol mostly.
And this guy was great.