Whats a good NPP dose? Cycle #2

[josh223]

Hey I'm just planning my summer cycle.
Decided I am going to run NPP rather than deca. This will be my second cycle.

So I think I'm gonna do it like this:

Weeks 1-14 Test E @ 450-600mg/wk
Weeks 1-12 NPP @ 300-450mg/wk
Weeks 1-16 Aromasin 12.5mg (m/w/f)
Weeks 1-16 Cabergoline .5mg (m/f)
Weeks 16-20 Clomid 50mg ED

I wanted to do 450mg for the Test E and see how that goes. If by week 6-8 I find I need more I'll up it to 600mg.

(I like to follow a less is more type dosing)

My plan was to do 100mg NPP per shot. So 100 on monday, 100 on wednesday, 100 on friday.
Is this good enough? or should I do 150 (m/w/f)

Also I never run Caber. Would 0.5mg Monday and 0.5mg Friday be good enough?
And Finally Aromasin will be 12.5mg (m/w/f)

I am not prone to any sort of estrogen problems so far. First run with test/dbol went well. I took dbol for 8 weeks straight around 30-60mg along with 500mg test and had zero estrogen problems. In fact I did not use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) until the week before PCT.(due to slight water retention)

Thanks all


(stats: 6'0, 200lbs, 11.5%BF)

 

[R1rider]

everything looks good bro. caber will be fine the way you have it

i would start with 300mg of npp(since its your first run with decca) and up the dose if your not happy with the results. npp @ 300mg/week @your weight should be a good first time dose

i would run the test around 5-600mg

 

[Teutonic]

Agreed . Pick a dose of test and stick with it.

 

[josh223]

Ok thanks bro's I think I will go with

Test E 500mg wk 1-14
NPP 300mg wk 1-12

Hopefully this can get me to my Goals - 215lbs @ 10% BF !

 

[R1rider]

you will gro like a weed on npp, provided you eat enough cals and train hard

215 should be easy

 

[josh223]

Yes fruits, veggies, eggs
turkey, burgers, tacos, burritos, bacon, CHICKEN, ham, steak, beef
tuna, salmon, tilapia, mahi mahi, sushi, shrimp, crab
pasta, rice, potatoes, cheese
milk, shakes, smoothies, water

this is mostly food that I eat so I shouldn't have trouble reaching enough calories lol

 

[Epic Ed]

I ran 300mg NPP last year with 600mg test c and wish I had gone higher with the NPP. Results were decent -- I didn't measure gains by weight gain, though, because I was also trying to lose fat. I would have benefited from higher calorie intake, I'm sure. YMMV...

 

[josh223]

Well yeah I know what you mean. I'm going to focus on eating massive amounts of foods. Mostly clean but still gonna be focusing on consuming more food than my muscles can possibly need!!

I have been around 8-9% BF before so loosing weight is not difficult for me, It's bulking that I have a tougher time with so thats why I thought (NPP/deca) would be a good choice!

I'll probly go all out dirty bulking diet most of cycle and If I start putting fat on I can start eating cleaner.

 

[hothead]

Well yeah I know what you mean. I'm going to focus on eating massive amounts of foods. Mostly clean but still gonna be focusing on consuming more food than my muscles can possibly need!!

I have been around 8-9% BF before so loosing weight is not difficult for me, It's bulking that I have a tougher time with so thats why I thought (NPP/deca) would be a good choice!

I'll probly go all out dirty bulking diet most of cycle and If I start putting fat on I can start eating cleaner.

Are you going to make a log? Very interested in a similar cycle.

 

[0tj0]

I'm running npp and test c right now. Test at 500 and npp at 450. I'm loving it. It's only my second cycle. One thing though is start your test at least two weeks before the npp. The npp is quick acting and if it kicks in before your test you will shut down pretty hard. You also may wanna get some hcg. I'm only two weeks into the npp and my balls are so shrunk it isn't funny. Good luck man!

 

[Mike Arnold]

Ok thanks bro's I think I will go with

Test E 500mg wk 1-14
NPP 300mg wk 1-12

Hopefully this can get me to my Goals - 215lbs @ 10% BF !

There is no reason to go off the NPP at week 12. It is a shorter ester than Test E, so why drop it 2 weeks raslier than the Test?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Well yeah I know what you mean. I'm going to focus on eating massive amounts of foods. Mostly clean but still gonna be focusing on consuming more food than my muscles can possibly need!!

I have been around 8-9% BF before so loosing weight is not difficult for me, It's bulking that I have a tougher time with so thats why I thought (NPP/deca) would be a good choice!

I'll probly go all out dirty bulking diet most of cycle and If I start putting fat on I can start eating cleaner.

If you're going to do an all-out dirty bulk, either use GH or GH peptides. GH, regadless of what form it comes in, will help keep your BF% from going up in times of caloric excess. It will also help with growth through elevated IGF-1 levels. While muscle growth is slow with GH, it does cause a rather immediate increase in muscle fullness if the dose is decent. This increase in fullness looks like muscle tissue, but is water. Regardless, you'll end up looking bigger.

Since GH is pretty costly, GH peptides are a good alternative if you can't afford to run a decent dose of GH. A solid dose of GH can make a big difference during a dirty bulk; the difference between gaining significant amounts of bodyfat and not gaining any. Gh is especially useful forguys who struggle to stay lean...many BB'rs have stopped themselves from turning into fat asses because of GH.

Also, don't underestimate GH peptides or look at them as worthless...they are far from worthless. GH is GH, regardless of whether it is injected directly into your body or your own pituitary produces more. Today we know how to use GH peptides in a manner that allows for "very" significant elevations in GH levels.

 

[0tj0]

There is no reason to go off the NPP at week 12. It is a shorter ester than Test E, so why drop it 2 weeks raslier than the Test?

Agreed. Actually start the test then two weeks later start the npp. That way you got some decent test in you system when you add in the npp. Then just finish both at the same time.

 

[Warren916]

Im running practically the same cycle right now..but a bit higher

Test - 750
NPP - 450
Drol - 100mg/ed

Anyway, i would suggest getting your hands on some letro because ive had some serious gyno so far, and without the zole i would have been fucked. As far are shut down, my balls are still plumpy.

And i feel the NPP kicked about the same time as the test...

And honestly, to me 300mg isnt enough, im thinking of bumping the 450! Prolly wont though.

 

[josh223]

If you're going to do an all-out dirty bulk, either use GH or GH peptides. GH, regadless of what form it comes in, will help keep your BF% from going up in times of caloric excess. It will also help with growth through elevated IGF-1 levels. While muscle growth is slow with GH, it does cause a rather immediate increase in muscle fullness if the dose is decent. This increase in fullness looks like muscle tissue, but is water. Regardless, you'll end up looking bigger.

Since GH is pretty costly, GH peptides are a good alternative if you can't afford to run a decent dose of GH. A solid dose of GH can make a big difference during a dirty bulk; the difference between gaining significant amounts of bodyfat and not gaining any. Gh is especially useful forguys who struggle to stay lean...many BB'rs have stopped themselves from turning into fat asses because of GH.

Also, don't underestimate GH peptides or look at them as worthless...they are far from worthless. GH is GH, regardless of whether it is injected directly into your body or your own pituitary produces more. Today we know how to use GH peptides in a manner that allows for "very" significant elevations in GH levels.

Yeah I am starting GHRP 6 soon with Mod GRF 1-29 and will be using for a while. Then I will start my cycle and continue to use the peptides.

 

[josh223]

There is no reason to go off the NPP at week 12. It is a shorter ester than Test E, so why drop it 2 weeks raslier than the Test?

Actually I have 2 reasons

Well just because the ester wears off doesn't mean the drug wears off. Nandrolone is a slow compound, reguardless of the ester. Haven't you heard of the 18 month detection times, which is after last injection. Just saying I would rather wait until its completely out of my system before starting pct.

Nandrolone will continue its effects for a little while even when the ester wears off. Thats why I decided to go with 12 weeks of NPP. And thats a perfect length for the amount of time I plan on going this cycle, If I go longer I need to get another bottle. I should be happy with this. 12 weeks is plenty of time and the last 2 weeks of test is just what I want to do.

 

[josh223]

Are you going to make a log? Very interested in a similar cycle.

Yes I am going to, though I probly wont start until June.

So far looks like I'm gonna do

Weeks 1-12 Sustanon @ 600mg/wk (3 x 200mg shots m/w/f)
Weeks 1-12 Nandrolone Phenyl-Propionate @ 450mg/wk (150 Mon/150 Wed/150 Fri)
Weeks 1-10 Dianabol 30mg/day
Weeks 1-16 Aromasin 12.5mg eod

HCG and caber on hand(I will use, but not until later), and of course post cycle therapy (pct) after.

Let me say I don't recommend going longer than 8 weeks with dbol. I personally react really well to it and I get my bloods checked during cycle so I know I will be fine. Please don't argue, I know I know dont use past 4 weeks..

 

[0tj0]

Anyway, i would suggest getting your hands on some letro because ive had some serious gyno so far, and without the zole i would have been fucked. As far are shut down, my balls are still plumpy.

And honestly, to me 300mg isnt enough, im thinking of bumping the 450! Prolly wont though.

Thats kinda funny. Im only on .5 adex eod and having ZERO gyno issues (knocks on wood). But I keep having to search around to make sure some trace of my balls are still there.

The following is graphic. Read at own risk: My loads pretty much look like water.... if I can even get them out.

And ya I agree on the 450 for sure. Next time around Im thinking 600 or even 750.

 

[Ziegler]

everything looks good bro. caber will be fine the way you have it

i would start with 300mg of npp(since its your first run with decca) and up the dose if your not happy with the results.

Npp & Decca are both nandrolone but should not be confused as the same compound.

I think what you meant to say is "i would start with 300mg of npp(since its your first run with a nandrolone)

 

[Onk]

Npp & Decca are both nandrolone but should not be confused as the same compound.

I think what you meant to say is "i would start with 300mg of npp(since its your first run with a nandrolone)

4 year old thread mate. need to check time stamps.