What's the lowest test *YOU* can get away with while on Deca?

[Ratatat]

Hey Austinite, seeing Deca is also a 19nor drug, how do you respond to deca?

 

[Austinite]

Hey Austinite, seeing Deca is also a 19nor drug, how do you respond to deca?

Great. Haven't come off in years

 

[KingPen]

test is garbage when it comes to putting on quality muscle.

what is your reasoning for thinking this?

 

[KingPen]

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[Ratatat]

what is your reasoning for thinking this?

1g of test will have you looking like a fat powerlifter. 1g of tren will have you looking like a npc level bodybuilder. There's just better options out there. All the 70s bodybuilders didn't even use test.

 

[Frank White]

Interesting thread guys, i'm listening... dont' wanna hijack a thread, but on a kind of related note, what do you studs think is the minimum dose of test, for the "average" guy, that will produce muscle building results when ran with another compound?? I know Mustang, everyone's different! Lol...i get the fact this test dose is for maintenance and let deca do the work kind of thing...

 

[Rida5d]

1g of test will have you looking like a fat powerlifter. 1g of tren will have you looking like a npc level bodybuilder. There's just better options out there. All the 70s bodybuilders didn't even use test.

They didn't have any pct also.
Doesn't make it right

 

[Austinite]

The statement about bodybuilders in the 70's not using testosterone is absolutely, 100% false.

 

[Optimal]

1g of test will have you looking like a fat powerlifter. 1g of tren will have you looking like a npc level bodybuilder. There's just better options out there. All the 70s bodybuilders didn't even use test.

Comparing different compounds gram-for-gram is already a poor argument. What matters is the relative gains compared to the relative side effects.
Tren is more powerful but it's also very harsh. A more fair comparison would be something like 3g+ of test to 1g of tren.

Besides, the sides are very individual. Some guys get terrible insomnia & night sweats on even low dose Tren. Heck, some guys even get bloat from it just like test, while others get no bloat from tons of test & deca.
The drug game is all about finding out what works for the individual through continual experimentation, using approximate averages of others as a general starting point (which is the point of this thread actually).

You do what your body tells you, not what you tell your body. Like 308power mentioned, there's a reason we have many different types of antibiotics in the medical field.

 

[Optimal]

Deca gives me gyno no matter what. Tren with 100mg test and I do just fine using caber and a small dose of an AI.

I'm about a month into my most recent test/deca cycle and initially tried to run it at 500/500mg of each per week but was having some ED issues. Horny as hell but had issues getting/maintaining wood. Bumped up the test by 100mg last week and I'm good to go. This was the first time I'd ever tried to run test/deca at the same dose. I've probably run the two compounds together 6-7 times and had always had the test dose at least a little high than deca based on the advice I'd read. Turned out to be true for me.

Im with Austinite. I keep deca in at 200mg a week year round. I have stayed at as low as 100mg test e, but I have better appetite with 200mg and this puts me close to 1200 ng dl

Interesting accounts, thanks for the feedback guys!


Edit: @308 - Still can't respond to PM's for some reason but the answer is no, I actually thought of the name before ever hearing of him.

 

[Austinite]

Comparing different compounds gram-for-gram is already a poor argument. What matters is the relative gains compared to the relative side effects.
Tren is more powerful but it's also very harsh. A more fair comparison would be something like 3g+ of test to 1g of tren.

Besides, the sides are very individual. Some guys get terrible insomnia & night sweats on even low dose Tren. Heck, some guys even get bloat from it just like test, while others get no bloat from tons of test & deca.
The drug game is all about finding out what works for the individual through continual experimentation, using approximate averages of others as a general starting point (which is the point of this thread actually).

You do what your body tells you, not what you tell your body. Like 308power mentioned, there's a reason we have many different types of antibiotics in the medical field.

Yeah that makes no sense to me.

 

[Ratatat]

Just my opinion guys, test in my eyes is only good for functioning. I know plenty of others who feel this way as well. If your main goal is getting as big as you can, why not use the strongest anabolics (considering you're having bloodwork done and everything is in check)

Also running 3 grams of test is going to have ALOT more complications than running a gram of tren.

 

[bigdaddyC]

I find all of this very interesting. Didn't know it was safe to run a low dose of test at 100-200mg a week with other compounds involved. I'm wondering if I'd benefit running test at 200mg/wk and tren at 300/wk. Hmmm... I've been crusing at 150mg/wk for months now

 

[Austinite]

I find all of this very interesting. Didn't know it was safe to run a low dose of test at 100-200mg a week with other compounds involved. I'm wondering if I'd benefit running test at 200mg/wk and tren at 300/wk. Hmmm... I've been crusing at 150mg/wk for months now

Almost anything can be safe, but that's up to us, as users, not the compounds.

 

[enzo321]

Why would you guys use tren as a mass supplement when it's used as a cutting/lean mass preservation steroid for cattle?

Elaborate someone?

*Oh nvm it's used to increase appetite/weight and absorb food better.

 

[308power]

Interesting accounts, thanks for the feedback guys!


Edit: @308 - Still can't respond to PM's for some reason but the answer is no, I actually thought of the name before ever hearing of him.

Oh. Just throwing that out there! haha. I saw he recently jumped on the train and that your account was new. Consider how often the term optimal is used within his vocabulary, the possibility was quite high.

 

[308power]

Why would you guys use tren as a mass supplement when it's used as a cutting/lean mass preservation steroid for cattle?

Elaborate someone?

*Oh nvm it's used to increase appetite/weight and absorb food better.

You are going to get the increased nutrient partitioning, unless you are Austinite apparently ha, but the same frequency of people that get an increase in appetite get a decrease in appetite. My appetite is horrible while on tren. Is there documentation on why this actually happens? No.

For me, I think its just because it makes me hot all the time and gives me the feeling that I have a 10 minute job to get done in 9. I cant relax or sleep well on it without Marijuana. The more you get into this lifestyle you will see how performance enhancing drugs really join hands with recreational drugs.

Example: You feel like shit from squatting 900 on monday, not sleeping well, then benching 600 on wednesday. A few hits off of the gravity bong, and a few hydrocodone, and you are ready to pound some food down, and go to sleep.

Just being real.

 

[enzo321]

@308

Isn't the lack of sleep counter inventive to gains? Or does the potential gains seems worth the hassle?

I would probably just beat my meat if I needed some relaxation to get to sleep >.>

Just being real.

 

[308power]

Marijuana is pretty cheap... haha.

I dont use it from lbm gain perspective. I am an elite level powerlifter. I compete at 308 so I need to stay within 300 and 320.

I have used it in different ways, and its all about what I am doing. I can add enanthate in 12 weeks out at 400 a week or so and get good consistant strength gains, but reduce my natural ability to eat and sleep for a while, or blast 1000mg a week for the last month and be rediculiously strong on meet day, but risk a tear.

On or off a good dose of tren is a difference of 50lb on your bench and 100 on both your squat and deadlift. 250lbs at an elite level is a lot.

With 20 inch arms and a large power gut, I dont have the flexibilty to masturbate. I have a flesh light I can arrange in an appropriate position, but the sweating and increased respiration rate from thrusting would be counter intuitave to my goals.

 

[DreDay187]

You are going to get the increased nutrient partitioning, unless you are Austinite apparently ha, but the same frequency of people that get an increase in appetite get a decrease in appetite. My appetite is horrible while on tren. Is there documentation on why this actually happens? No.

For me, I think its just because it makes me hot all the time and gives me the feeling that I have a 10 minute job to get done in 9. I cant relax or sleep well on it without Marijuana. The more you get into this lifestyle you will see how performance enhancing drugs really join hands with recreational drugs.

Example: You feel like shit from squatting 900 on monday, not sleeping well, then benching 600 on wednesday. A few hits off of the gravity bong, and a few hydrocodone, and you are ready to pound some food down, and go to sleep.

Just being real.

You just keep getting wiser and wiser or I'm liking you more and more . I agree and that's part of the reason I have my 5 hookahs, 2 bings, and various other utensils haha