where has everyone gone?

test e or Sustanon (sust) or c. doesn't really matter 1-12
dbol kick start 1-4
var 1-12

or

test e/c 750mgs/wk wks 1-16
eq 500mgs/wk wks 1-15
test p 150mgs eod wks 1-5/16-18
anavar 60mg/ed wks 13-18
hcg 250 ius e3d wks 5-16
pct 4 days after last prop shot (clomid and/or nolva)
AI of choice ran throughout
3rd cycle- are both of these going to result in same gains?
 
they are very different as you can see, question is there isnt really a set cycle no matter how many times you have used, it seems to be personal choice of what to use and when, so how do i know which cycle to choose for me?
**done with the pct for the 2nd so im ready to start the 3rd.. any input would be great ;)
 
test e or Sustanon (sust) or c. doesn't really matter 1-12
dbol kick start 1-4
var 1-12

or

test e/c 750mgs/wk wks 1-16
eq 500mgs/wk wks 1-15
test p 150mgs eod wks 1-5/16-18
anavar 60mg/ed wks 13-18
hcg 250 ius e3d wks 5-16
pct 4 days after last prop shot (clomid and/or nolva)
AI of choice ran throughout
3rd cycle- are both of these going to result in same gains?


Take Dtones advice/cycle. Reading that gave me a boner.
 
ive never used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before, or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) anything i need to know about em?
 
Has no one noticed this guy has done 3 cycles and is only 170lbs?

I think you need food... not more AAS.
 
ive never used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before, or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) anything i need to know about em?


Well that's not good...

HCG will keep your balls active so they don't shrink, and it will ease you into post cycle therapy (pct) for an easier recovery since you won't be shut down when you end your cycle. AI's are to reduce bloat and other estrogen related side effects.
 
Has no one noticed this guy has done 3 cycles and is only 170lbs?

I think you need food... not more AAS.


or the fact he has no Idea what an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or HCg is ???? hmmm..... Weird to me also is the 170 pound mystery, fuck I weigh more than him on one cycle ..... I agree with mr 90210
 
test/eq cycle would be good for you. im not a fan of eq but some love it. the undecylenate ester does carry a very long half life and is detectable for quite some time (~1.5 yrs) but you don't necessarily have to run it 16 or so wks. and I don't think you should try tren, its a different compound all together. being your third cycle, try this:

test e/c 750mgs/wk wks 1-16
eq 500mgs/wk wks 1-15
test p 150mgs eod wks 1-5/16-18
anavar 60mg/ed wks 13-18
hcg 250 ius e3d wks 5-16
pct 4 days after last prop shot (clomid and/or nolva)
AI of choice ran throughout.


thats purty.

Thats the best that you can do bro!!!
 
Well that's not good...

HCG will keep your balls active so they don't shrink, and it will ease you into post cycle therapy (pct) for an easier recovery since you won't be shut down when you end your cycle. AI's are to reduce bloat and other estrogen related side effects.

sorry brother, but he will still be shutdown. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive to the HPTA as well, like you said, its just a helping hand to help him ease into post cycle therapy (pct) and natty test recovery.
 
sorry brother, but he will still be shutdown. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive to the HPTA as well, like you said, its just a helping hand to help him ease into post cycle therapy (pct) and natty test recovery.


Yeah, that was my bad. You're right.
 
yes to all i do need to eat more i realize that its really hard because i work night shifts and sleep during the days mostly take 3000-4000 calories and that mostly comes from shakes i know i should be up around 6000 but like i said sometimes for me its hard, i have just used clomid/nolva in the past i have never experienced bloat or estrogen.. but starting a 3rd id like to start Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) just need to do some more research.. thank you all to your posts (very helpful) i know im just beginning take it easy folks lol im trying here
 
yes to all i do need to eat more i realize that its really hard because i work night shifts and sleep during the days mostly take 3000-4000 calories and that mostly comes from shakes i know i should be up around 6000 but like i said sometimes for me its hard, i have just used clomid/nolva in the past i have never experienced bloat or estrogen.. but starting a 3rd id like to start Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) just need to do some more research.. thank you all to your posts (very helpful) i know im just beginning take it easy folks lol im trying here

You really must discipline yourself to eat food along with the protein supplementation to make gains, gear is not a magic wand that will do it all for you.
Why waste your money on gear if you are not taking the time to eat properly?
 
alright can someone point me in the right direction towards a thread on what to eat and when? or would someone be kind enough to help me out here, either way would be great, i'll try my next cycle on food ;) and hold off on my 3rd and dedicate myself to this first! so im asking for help all what do i eat and when?
 
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