Why does everyone hate PH/DS (non traditional AAS)

[willypct40]

[QUFor example, there is no AAS that will put on the amount of lean dry mass as superdrol, msten, or dzine.[/QUOTE]

Bro, do you realize what you are saying. Tren, mast, Anavar (var) , primo all of these compounds will add lean mass
With the right diet /training. All of those ph you mention are garbage. Superdrol got me the most legarthy, low
Sex drive and bloat than any of the stuff that I've tried. Again these stupid comments that you write make you
Look like a ignorant noob, who's never tried the real thing.

 

[bigkit34]

I cant tell if this is a troll statement or if you are really that ignorant...saying that just mtren won't have the same effect as test/tren is ridiculous. There are so many factors that play into that statement its absurd (ie. dosages, length, etc). I am saying that used in the right combination with other steroids it will have an effect that you cannot get with anything else.

Also, if you are one of the ignorant people that think proper use of oral steroids will wreck your liver then you shouldn't be in this thread. Clearly that is not the case from the hundreds of thousands of people that use them a year. More people have liver failure from tylenol than oral steroids.

This thread is for people who use oral AAS but bash DS

where did i say proper use of oral steroids will wreck your liver? i clearly said designer steroids which is a different class. how old are you bud 21? you clearly have no idea what your talking about trying to compare your precious PH/DS to real AAS, which i've been using successfully for 10 years both oral and injectable. the worst bloodwork i've ever gotten was using 1-AD years ago which is a PH not part of the AAS family. its ok though your scared of needles i understand maybe one day you'll man up and stop coming to forums reciting verbatim what it says on the side of your Mtren bottle lol

 

[Nightmare007]

Basically because the sides to results ratio isn't worth it..they are extremely hepatoxic and cause massive htpa shut down for very minimal gains compared to a simple test only cycle which even though shuts yu down it isn't hard on your lover and gives far better gains than pro hormones

 

[3ct]

^yea if they knew how to lift...if they knew how to lift while using juice they would know that you will probably get injured if you try to add 100lbs to your bench and are maxing every week..

you are so full of shit. even pros get injured from time to time, according to you it must be because they don't know how to lift? shut the fuck up. there's no way it could have anything to do with the massive doses they run and gaining so much so quickly. no way could that even be a possibility, it must be because they don't know how to lift. you are in such denial it's not even funny anymore.

 

[swim15]

^yes and they get injured for different reasons than putting on weight to fast which is the example you gave.

That said, everyone seems to think DS are more heptatotoxic...which is not the case unless you have extensive blood work and lab studies. Basically all the compounds are 17a methylated and offer roughly the same resistance to breakdown in the liver...so far no one has offered decent reason not to use them except for "I don't know what they are and they are scary"...I know many people who have used AAS and DS for decades and still prefer many DS because they offer things AAS cannot.

That said bigkit34...you just said that designer steroids are different than steroids....I cannot even begin to understand the ignorance in this statement. DS are fucking steroids. They work through the same mechanism, they shut you down, they promote muscle gains and most PH/DS are safer than harsh AAS orals...

All in all I was wondering why people don't like them as tools for certain jobs AAS cannot do and it seems like this is mostly because people do not take the time to understand where they fit into the world of AAS

 

[swim15]

The stuff many of you are saying makes it seem like PH/DS are not anabolic androgenic steroids.......which they are. You just prefer the traditional versions over the newly released ones...although most DS were first synthesized in the 1960s

 

[bigkit34]

lol your funny. every study done on them has concluded that they are more toxic. oh and you haven't given us any reason to believe that they are better in some cases than AAS. provide some links with factual info and maybe somebody on this site might take you seriously one day. right now all your doing is giving your opinion on them. the burden of proof is on you my friend

 

[49ER]

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[juced_porkchop]

Time to start another controversial thread but everyone on here seems to flame the idea of using a PH/DS or anything non traditional.

Lets be clear though, the definition of AAS is "anabolic androgenic steroids" so PH or DS would both fall into this category as PED's. That said, they are non traditional. Also, DS and PH are different in that DS do not have to convert.

Everyone seems to argue that they are slightly rougher on the liver...but if you are only running them for 4-6 weeks then it won't cause a problem. Also, that is completely and totally anecdotal and cannot be claimed without fairly extensive blood work under controlled conditions with multiple individuals.

Either way there is really nothing that would make a PH "more harsh" scientifically. Mtren is the harshest AAS every made (mg for mg) with halotestin and anadrol coming in next up probably. So in comparison to those three, msten, Suderdrol, or M1T are somewhere on the same level and provide gains that most AAS don't (ie. DRY) because the big mass gainers like dbol and drol are wet.

Any oral run for 4-6 weeks (maybe limit SD, mtren, halo, and M1T to 4 weeks) is going to be safe.

However, a DS/PH like halodrol, epistane, or pmag/mechabol will be less harsh (even at fairly high doses) than most traditional AAS (from the blood work I have seen).

IMO a PED is a PED and you use whichever one fits your goals and some AAS do not offer the benefits of PH/DS.

Comments?

#1 they usually have MORe side effects and less results then known AAS

#2 most people using pro-h and the rest, as the only anabolic and without any test base (this is bad for various reasons) . its also usually kids that dont have a clue what they are doing.


use test and add a pro-h or oral. but i have afeeling you wont and run these solo..... why people hate...

 

[swim15]

lol your funny. every study done on them has concluded that they are more toxic. oh and you haven't given us any reason to believe that they are better in some cases than AAS. provide some links with factual info and maybe somebody on this site might take you seriously one day. right now all your doing is giving your opinion on them. the burden of proof is on you my friend

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So far, I am the only person in the thread who has provided a study. Also, you should know that basically no studies are done on steroids regarding just liver toxicity...there are barely any studies done for therapeutic use.

That said, I have given examples. You will not find another traditional AAS that gives the DRY strength and mass gains of M1T or Superdrol (some would also argue msten, dzine, or phera). I don't really have to prove anything...I was asking for people to explain why they were all against them and so far, besides a couple legitimate responses, they have all been uneducated responses or responses that do not contribute to the thread such as the one two posts up.

 

[swim15]

#1 they usually have MORe side effects and less results then known AAS

#2 most people using pro-h and the rest, as the only anabolic and without any test base (this is bad for various reasons) . its also usually kids that dont have a clue what they are doing.


use test and add a pro-h or oral. but i have afeeling you wont and run these solo..... why people hate...

1. I agree with you although this is not always the case
2. I agree with you, most of the people running PH/DS are stupids kids cause they are easy to get. However, this does not mean they are less effective

And yes I agree that no steroid should be run without testosterone. Period.

 

[bigkit34]

you have given your opinion on these examples but have nothing to back it up

 

[bigkit34]

there is a prohormone/alternative steroid board also on this forum where you would probably be better off posting. you sound like a salesperson for superdrol

 

[swim15]

you have given your opinion on these examples but have nothing to back it up

Tell me what you would like me to back up and I will. You haven't backed up any of your opinions either...and, like I said, I am the only person to have posted a study.

 

[bigkit34]

did i miss something where did you post a link to a study? your obviously set in your ways of thinking and thats great for you, but when your posting about DS being better than AAS it gives newbies the wrong idea

 

[swim15]

Its on the first page.

Also, I did not say that DS were better than AAS. I was asserting that for SOME applications DS offer things that most AAS do not. Also how am I giving a noob a wrong idea? How is running 4 weeks of M1T worse than running 4 weeks of anadrol?

 

[snoot]

Bumping an old thread with my opinion...

People do not like PH because they lump it into the catagory of ***8220;for people who don't know what their doing***8221;. There are so much FAIL stories from kids with fucked cycles, cycling whilst 16, without pct, without test as a base so the older more traditional user of aas automatically says ***8220;PH/DS are shit***8221;.

I've never used a PH before myself but I'm currently on a dbol/test cycle and planning on running msten onto the last 4 weeks for dry lean gains because msten seems like the ***8220;AAS***8221; which suits my needs to the greatest degree. Leaning and drying me out at the end of a cycle when gains start to dwindle from the test.
At one point, ALL AAS were designer steroids... Don't forget that. Just because its new and not traditional doesn't mean its shit IMO. Though I have no experiance with PH, that is the viewpoint I have aquired from taking a back seat and observing how others react to DS threads.

PH or any orals on their own = fail
Though with a base of test can = extreme win.

 

[bigkit34]

msten markets itself as a PH and is available legal OTC. just let this thread die already

 

[snoot]

Markets itself as a ph because it can't market itself as an anabolic steroid you spastic

 

[bigkit34]

it wouldn't be legal if it was a anabolic steroid