Why not take steroids at 20-21??

[meyers462]

If you had nutritionists including 3J as you say build diets for you, why would you eat like this?I know he or anyone would not build a diet that looks like this. That is all messed up and not on point as you stated earlier.

You are also training WAY too many days in a row if you are in fact doing 6-7 exercise per muscle group, which is also WAY too much.

Im not gonna give any diet advice because Zeus layed something of a guidline out for you that would serve you much better than what you are doing.

I will say two things though........

First, don't even mention Jay Culter and Bostin Loyd in the same sentence ever again that's a fuckin insult to the former champ.

Second, you need to work on you self confidence before anything else!!!!!!! You are sounding like a woman with all this I want to 'I want to look like this person and that person' and 'I look like a piece of shit' You need to man up and stop givin a fuck what anyone thinks, stop feeling sorry for yourself, take control of your life and what you want to happen and where you wanna go and start being fuckin awesome. Sitting there and whining and crying about stuff isn't gonna get you anything or anywhere. You want to look a certain way? Figure out how to do it, and then go do it. Make the best out of what you've been given because if you go through your whole life wanting to look like someone else or be someone your gonna live a life of misery and die a sad lonely old man.

And don't take offence, im just keeping it real for you, take all the advice I have given you, and build something off of it.

That's cause I can't afford to eat the way he wants me to. Chicken steak fish all that shit is expensive. $12 for 1 lbs of chicken on top of that I can't get a job anywhere else, there is nowhere else in town. My boss is a dick that only let's me eat one time from 3-11. Otherwise I could hit the road and have no money

 

[Southernfish]

Bro, you need to make some changes, positive changes, that are going to benefit your life. Id be moving to a new town and getting a new job and telling my boss to kiss my ass. Don't just sit there and wait for a change to possibly happened one day. Make some moves and make things happen for yourself.

 

[meyers462]

Bro, you need to make some changes, positive changes, that are going to benefit your life. Id be moving to a new town and getting a new job and telling my boss to kiss my ass. Don't just sit there and wait for a change to possibly happened one day. Make some moves and make things happen for yourself.

How do I do that when I have no one there for me? How do I move out when nobody in my family has a car to even take me out of town, I have no friends anymore cause I'd rather eat and lift then go hangout get fast food and drink beer plus they all at college 30 miles away anyway. I didn't ask for this life either it sucks. Before I had a job I couldn't even afford a $20 gym membership And was under fed which is why I was so skinny before

 

[China_Wall]

Bro, you need to make some changes, positive changes, that are going to benefit your life. Id be moving to a new town and getting a new job and telling my boss to kiss my ass. Don't just sit there and wait for a change to possibly happened one day. Make some moves and make things happen for yourself.

^^^this is the only way to live

 

[China_Wall]

Here's what I have been eating

Meal 1: 2 cups milk, 85% lean ground beef 6oz w/ 2 buns, 1oz Swiss cheese
Meal 2: 1 cup Greek yogurt, 1 protein shake, 227g potatoe
Meal 3: 1 cup of milk, 6oz ham off the bone, 2 slices of bread, 1.3oz Swiss cheese
Meal 4: post workout shake, 4 oz tuna, 1 banana
Meal 5: 1 cup of milk, 4oz tuna, 2 large whole eggs
Meal 6: 2 cups of chocolate milk, 1 banana

My routine is push/pull/legs/rest/push/pull/legs/rest/rest/repeat
I start off doing compound movements and end with accessory work
I like to stay in the 8-12 rep range. Compounds I do 6-8 reps. I also do about 3-4 sets per exercise for a total of 6-7 exercises

stop the push/pull/legs thing, and start training each body part ONCE per week

 

[meyers462]

stop the push/pull/legs thing, and start training each body part ONCE per week

Study's show it's optimal for naturals to hit there muscles twice a week though?? And I don't do 6-7 exercises per muscle I ment I do 6-7 exercises total for that workout

 

[Southernfish]

Study's show it's optimal for naturals to hit there muscles twice a week though?? And I don't do 6-7 exercises per muscle I ment I do 6-7 exercises total for that workout

Don't listen to studies, often times they are a bunch of hog wash. Plus every human is different and will react different to different training methods. You've been doing push/pull..........is it working? No, so try something else.

 

[meyers462]

Don't listen to studies, often times they are a bunch of hog wash. Plus every human is different and will react different to different training methods. You've been doing push/pull..........is it working? No, so try something else.

I have tried upper/lower, full body, and the bro split training 1 muscle a week. I don't see a difference in any of them. I get progressive overload on either one. When training once a week I feel as if my muscles are already recovered in 2 days

 

[ImAuNatural]

Here's what I have been eating

Meal 1: 2 cups milk, 85% lean ground beef 6oz w/ 2 buns, 1oz Swiss cheese
Meal 2: 1 cup Greek yogurt, 1 protein shake, 227g potatoe
Meal 3: 1 cup of milk, 6oz ham off the bone, 2 slices of bread, 1.3oz Swiss cheese
Meal 4: post workout shake, 4 oz tuna, 1 banana
Meal 5: 1 cup of milk, 4oz tuna, 2 large whole eggs
Meal 6: 2 cups of chocolate milk, 1 banana

My routine is push/pull/legs/rest/push/pull/legs/rest/rest/repeat
I start off doing compound movements and end with accessory work
I like to stay in the 8-12 rep range. Compounds I do 6-8 reps. I also do about 3-4 sets per exercise for a total of 6-7 exercises

6 cups of milk a day...? I think your diet is your main problem. You might want to talk to 3J. He also has a free diet advice thread you can go post your full diet with numbers and your stats and he will give you a little bit of help.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/diet-forum/153271-free-diet-advice-3j.html

 

[China_Wall]

I have tried upper/lower, full body, and the bro split training 1 muscle a week. I don't see a difference in any of them. I get progressive overload on either one. When training once a week I feel as if my muscles are already recovered in 2 days

muscles recover in 2 days = BS... or you're just not training hard enough

studies, schmuddies....

 

[bigben66]

I tell you what guys... it's humbling seeing you vets taking your hard-earned time and giving this young lad some solid advice it really is, makes you appreciate what this forum is all about...

OP, Schredder & Co have nailed this on the head... listen to what they say - there's a time in your life to hit the gear and a time to leave well alone... you've heard what the vets think. Experience speaks for itself...

You definitely have good intentions - but you're really mixed up right now.... address the important sh*t first... job, money etc and spend your cash wisely... a cycle is the last thing you need right now!

 

[meyers462]

I tell you what guys... it's humbling seeing you vets taking your hard-earned time and giving this young lad some solid advice it really is, makes you appreciate what this forum is all about...

OP, Schredder & Co have nailed this on the head... listen to what they say - there's a time in your life to hit the gear and a time to leave well alone... you've heard what the vets think. Experience speaks for itself...

You definitely have good intentions - but you're really mixed up right now.... address the important sh*t first... job, money etc and spend your cash wisely... a cycle is the last thing you need right now!

It's not even about the cycle anymore, I'm not gonna do it....I just don't know what to do with my life I hate my life. I have pretty much have no oppurtunites. I was delt the shitty end of the stick, I have no one to go to my family is trash, they only care about there next high, I've pretty much only had myself my whole life and now I'm starting to break down...I just don't know sometimes I just wish I was never born

 

[ImAuNatural]

It's not even about the cycle anymore, I'm not gonna do it....I just don't know what to do with my life I hate my life. I have pretty much have no oppurtunites. I was delt the shitty end of the stick, I have no one to go to my family is trash, they only care about there next high, I've pretty much only had myself my whole life and now I'm starting to break down...I just don't know sometimes I just wish I was never born

You need to man up dude. I'm 20 years old and I was delt a shitty hand but I refuse to be anything lss than my best in life at everything I do. I was raised my whole life by my grandmother and grandfather. I watched my grandfather pass away when I was 6,from cancer, he was like my father. I watched my mother pass away a little over three years ago,from cirrhosis of the liver,she was only 35 years old, I was 16 . My father has never been there for me,never even payed child support,but lives in the same city as me I haven't seen him in about 14 years oh but we are friends on facebook. And last but definitely not least my grandmother who meant more to me in life than anyone ever will passed away last year in July right in front of my eyes from a massive heart attack,it is still unreal to me. I have been through so much more but don't care to post it. You are who you choose to be and no one can stop you if you truly want something bad enough, you have to tell yourself that you will make a better life for yourself and you future wife and kids. If you have been through alot then you should know if it hasnt killed you it will only make you stronger.

 

[505jules]

Life is hard man. Chasing some physique that may be unattainable will not make you happy. I'm all for self improvement and goals, but if I can't be happy now what's the point? If I have one foot in tomorrow, and one foot in yesterday, I'm pissing all over today.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

I stopped growing I hit puburity in like 6th grade. I haven't grown an inch since then and I was the hairyest mother fucker ever. I need to shave everyday. And all I do is spend my money on food. But this day in age that I grew up In image is everything, my boss has already denied good people jobs because they don't look good. Image is everything now a days. I never said I was gonna take aas but I do have it Locked away it all expires in 2017.

I just need someone to talk to and answer all my questions and keep me motivated, cause I know the physique I want is not attainable natty and so do yous. And I know I'm not at my natural limit so yeah I'm not taking them but it's depressing knowing that you'll never be as good looking or as big as you want like te other people on gear

Well Like you I was done growing at 14 I was 6 foot tall. I grew an inch when I was 24. It was the miracle inch. There are a lot of women around here just under 6 foot tall. I was 140 at 14. At 18 I was 165. By 19 I shot up to 170. I didn't hit 200 till I was 27. At 30 I cycled from 205 to 245 mean and lean. I had hit my natural potential. I sit at 262 at 6'1'' now and wish I was 220 or 200. It's much easer on the body and the chicks are all about abs these days anyway. It's easier to play sports at 220 than 262. The injuries are fewer and the recoveries are quicker.

 

[Libertarian1]

Well this thread got depressing quick

 

[meyers462]

You need to man up dude. I'm 20 years old and I was delt a shitty hand but I refuse to be anything lss than my best in life at everything I do. I was raised my whole life by my grandmother and grandfather. I watched my grandfather pass away when I was 6,from cancer, he was like my father. I watched my mother pass away a little over three years ago,from cirrhosis of the liver,she was only 35 years old, I was 16 . My father has never been there for me,never even payed child support,but lives in the same city as me I haven't seen him in about 14 years oh but we are friends on facebook. And last but definitely not least my grandmother who meant more to me in life than anyone ever will passed away last year in July right in front of my eyes from a massive heart attack,it is still unreal to me. I have been through so much more but don't care to post it. You are who you choose to be and no one can stop you if you truly want something bad enough, you have to tell yourself that you will make a better life for yourself and you future wife and kids. If you have been through alot then you should know if it hasnt killed you it will only make you stronger.

I'm sorry for your losses, I just don't know what to do now. I've hit that point in life where I can't figure out why I'm on this earth. What's my fate? Who am I? I want to be successful but idk how. Idk how to better my life, idk how to get out of this area. Idk what I want to do with my life. Like how do you become successful when you don't even know how to get started..the only thing that makes me happy is being in the gym letting everything go and forgetting about everything for that 60-90 minutes

Life is hard man. Chasing some physique that may be unattainable will not make you happy. I'm all for self improvement and goals, but if I can't be happy now what's the point? If I have one foot in tomorrow, and one foot in yesterday, I'm pissing all over today.

I just don't know anymore, idk what to do

 

[Libertarian1]

There's plenty of careers out there man... I'm your age too and make great money as an insurance agent... And don't say college is stupid... Your friends just have stupid majors... There's plenty of government aids out there for college... Go to college get a degree in a useful field

 

[cybrsage]

$12 for 1 lbs of chicken...

Where do you shop? Sam's Club sells chicken for under $2 a pound - I bought some on one of their sales at $1.88 a pound. This is good because I am eating almost 2 pounds of it a day. But that would only make $4 worth a chicken a day. Chicken is amazing in that it is high protein, low fat (skinless, boneless), freezes well, and tastes great! Buy in bulk and cut it down to size yourself.

 

[Rida5d]

It's not even about the cycle anymore, I'm not gonna do it....I just don't know what to do with my life I hate my life. I have pretty much have no oppurtunites. I was delt the shitty end of the stick, I have no one to go to my family is trash, they only care about there next high, I've pretty much only had myself my whole life and now I'm starting to break down...I just don't know sometimes I just wish I was never born

Take it easy young man .. Everything will be ok.. Hold on ..
Everyone has a shitty stage in his life.. It will pass..