Why you should NOT dirty bulk!!! (pic included)

[germaine07]

i dont know where your from but the rest of us understand a dirty bulk as eating high caloric foods that are not the best for your health...

lean meats complex carbs and healthy fats wold be "clean" food..

thanks for your contribution

So high calorie foods are dirty? So anything contains fat? Are nuts, olive oil, avocado all dirty? High calorie foods are quite beneficial when bulking, especially for those who struggle to get in calories. Dried fruit would also probably be dirty then? Could you elaborate a bit more because you just eliminated a whole group of foods from diet calling them dirty.

As for clean foods. So fruit is not 'clean'? Neither is steak? Or eggs? Or milk?

 

[Cosmoen]

I guess it depends on your body type. If you are a natural endo, going on a full out dirty bulk isn't going to be the same as for a meso.

 

[Rida5d]

So high calorie foods are dirty? So anything contains fat? Are nuts, olive oil, avocado all dirty? High calorie foods are quite beneficial when bulking, especially for those who struggle to get in calories. Dried fruit would also probably be dirty then? Could you elaborate a bit more because you just eliminated a whole group of foods from diet calling them dirty.

As for clean foods. So fruit is not 'clean'? Neither is steak? Or eggs? Or milk?

No sir..
I guess 3j was pointing at empty calories food that could spike ur insulin levels in one second leaving u hungry 20 min after eating.
Pizzas burgers stuff like that are dirty foods .
While olive oil is a must in all 3j's diet even when cutting. (Take my diet as an example)

 

[3J]

So high calorie foods are dirty? So anything contains fat? Are nuts, olive oil, avocado all dirty? High calorie foods are quite beneficial when bulking, especially for those who struggle to get in calories. Dried fruit would also probably be dirty then? Could you elaborate a bit more because you just eliminated a whole group of foods from diet calling them dirty.

As for clean foods. So fruit is not 'clean'? Neither is steak? Or eggs? Or milk?

are nuts olive oil and avocados not healthy fats?? lol...

dried fruits would just cause an insulin spike and would never get past the liver to muscle glycogen stores.. that's why there isnt much fruit in a bodybuilders diet.. but because of the benefits fruit is clean..

a lean steak is clean.. a 80/20 steak would be dirty..

why the hell would you call eggs dirty?? lol

and milk shouldn't be a part of a bodybuilders diet due to the fact that you do not produce the lactose enzyme as well as you age

 

[3J]

Couple of things.

1. Nothing wrong with empty calories if the rest of your diet is full of micronutrient rich foods.

2. Pizza and burgers are not empty calories.

3. Define a spike in insulin levels.

4. Did you know whey protein 'spikes' insulin more than a lot of carb sources?

5. But Olive oil is a high calorie food. His definition of 'dirty' foods were high calorie foods.

6. You know the glycemic index is useless right?

dude where are you getting your info from?? lol

look it seems your out to prove something... take it easy ok?

the glycemic index is not useless... please..

pizza and burgers will not get you anywhere alone..

if the rest of your diet is full of the right and macro and micro nutrient food and you need to eat things like pizza and burgers to fill calories that's ok.. but like i said before.. unless your 250lbs at a low bodyfat you dont need to be eating like that.. it makes no sense.. pro level guys have to eat like that.. not average guys trying to get in shape and build muscle.. there is no need for them to eat like that..

if your skipping a bunch of steps and trying to eat like your mr. olympia youve made a mistake

 

[germaine07]

dude where are you getting your info from?? lol

look it seems your out to prove something... take it easy ok?

the glycemic index is not useless... please..

pizza and burgers will not get you anywhere alone..

if the rest of your diet is full of the right and macro and micro nutrient food and you need to eat things like pizza and burgers to fill calories that's ok.. but like i said before.. unless your 250lbs at a low bodyfat you dont need to be eating like that.. it makes no sense.. pro level guys have to eat like that.. not average guys trying to get in shape and build muscle.. there is no need for them to eat like that..

if your skipping a bunch of steps and trying to eat like your mr. olympia youve made a mistake

Not trying to prove a point, just think it's more legible when I bullet point things. Also I stated in another thread I think; I don't mean to sound like an ass. I'm just a straight shooter and call it how I see it.

Anyway, the glycemic index only comes into play under the following circumstance: You are completely fasted and eat the carb source alone with no fat/protein. If you are not fasted, it doesn't apply. If you are eating some protein/fat too, it doesn't apply. Also, you'd have to eat exactly 50g of carbohydrate from that source to get a true GI response even under those circumstances. That's why it's pretty much irrelevant.

As from where I get my information from. Have you heard of people such as: Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald, Emma Leigh, Layne Norton, Martin Berkhan, Eric Helms.

First we'll look at pizza. Have you ever looked at the nutrient profile of pizza? What do you think is bad about it? It contains plenty of micronutrients as well as a source of carbs, fats and protein. Choose one with veggies and even more micros. Meat, cheese, bread and vegetables are micronutrient rich foods loaded with high quality protein, carbs and fat and have been consumed in large amounts by larged and ripped men for decades.

Next a burger. Beef. Whole grains bun. Condiment of choice. What is bad about that?

Your body doesn't see foods, it only sees the nutrients contained in the foods.

It is very easy to reach macros and micros while fitting some pizza or a burger in.

 

[3J]

so your ok with eating a bunch of cheese an bread together with minimal protein?

or skyrocketing your saturated fats so long as it fits your macros?? seriously??

 

[germaine07]

so your ok with eating a bunch of cheese an bread together with minimal protein?

or skyrocketing your saturated fats so long as it fits your macros?? seriously??

Cheese contains protein. Bread also has small amounts of protein. the meat on the pizza contains protein. What are you talking about?

And it's not exactly sky rocketing saturated fats if you apply moderation.

And I said macros & micros. Not just macros.

 

[3J]

Cheese contains protein. Bread also has small amounts of protein. the meat on the pizza contains protein. What are you talking about?

And it's not exactly sky rocketing saturated fats if you apply moderation.

And I said macros & micros. Not just macros.

yea lets agree to disagree.. i'd rather get my protein from lean sources like fish and chicken breast.. not processed cheese an white bread...

seriously you should reconsider the way you look at nutrition... this whole calories in vs. calories out and iifym non-sense that people are following these days is a ridiculous

 

[JRider]

Not trying to prove a point, just think it's more legible when I bullet point things. Also I stated in another thread I think; I don't mean to sound like an ass. I'm just a straight shooter and call it how I see it.

Anyway, the glycemic index only comes into play under the following circumstance: You are completely fasted and eat the carb source alone with no fat/protein. If you are not fasted, it doesn't apply. If you are eating some protein/fat too, it doesn't apply. Also, you'd have to eat exactly 50g of carbohydrate from that source to get a true GI response even under those circumstances. That's why it's pretty much irrelevant.

As from where I get my information from. Have you heard of people such as: Alan Aragon, Lyle McDonald, Emma Leigh, Layne Norton, Martin Berkhan, Eric Helms.

First we'll look at pizza. Have you ever looked at the nutrient profile of pizza? What do you think is bad about it? It contains plenty of micronutrients as well as a source of carbs, fats and protein. Choose one with veggies and even more micros. Meat, cheese, bread and vegetables are micronutrient rich foods loaded with high quality protein, carbs and fat and have been consumed in large amounts by larged and ripped men for decades.

Next a burger. Beef. Whole grains bun. Condiment of choice. What is bad about that?

Your body doesn't see foods, it only sees the nutrients contained in the foods.

It is very easy to reach macros and micros while fitting some pizza or a burger in.

I agree that the body sees nutrients not food. It really does not differentiate proteins from a pepperoni pizza or a piece of "cleanly" grilled chicken breast.

But I do not agree it is easy to meet your macros/micros target by eating "dirty" with pizza and burgers like you said. Most those "dirty" food sources simply have too much fats and carbs. It would be hard to get proper macros/micros ratio if you mostly "dirty". Granted you can eat a small "dirty" burger with high fat/carb contents with not much good micros and then balance it out by eating cleaner say fish and vegies (high protein and good micros) for the rest of the day. But then the diet is not really that "dirty".

 

[maplestring]

drink water eat well
avoid dirty bulking
avoid lack of excersize aswell mate