Will a top endocrinologist be able to help?

[Electrisio]

I am a 21 year old who took dbol when I was 19. For the last 2 years my test has been 400-500ish and I have suffered with low T symptoms. I hate what I have done to myself but have to live with the consequences. I live in the UK and plan on going to London to see one of the countries top endocrinologists. The impression I get from these forums is that failed HPTA restart success is very rare and even rarer for people who abused at my age. Do you guy think that the top endo would be able to help me or that I am gonna have to hit the TRT road?

Any young person who is planning to juice..... please don't! It's not worth it

Thanks ology!

 

[Electrisio]

Getting help from a top Endo

I am a 21 year old who took dbol when I was 19. For the last 2 years my test has been 400-500ish and I have suffered with low T symptoms. I hate what I have done to myself but have to live with the consequences. I live in the UK and plan on going to London to see one of the countries top endocrinologists. The impression I get from these forums is that failed HPTA restart success is very rare and even rarer for people who abused at my age. Do you guy think that the top endo would be able to help me or that I am gonna have to hit the TRT road?

Any young person who is planning to juice..... please don't! It's not worth it

Thanks ology!

 

[tx045]

Do you have pre cycle bloodwork to establish a baseline or to see what damage you might've caused?

 

[Electrisio]

Nope unfortunately I dont. I was just a stupid naive teenager I come from a family of quite masculine men (i.e. one was a semi pro rugby player) so I don't know if this meansm y test to be fairly high, or certainly higher then it is at the moment.

 

[Electrisio]

Nope unfortunately I dont. I was just a stupid naive teenager I come from a family of quite masculine men (i.e. one was a semi pro rugby player) so I don't know if this meansm y test to be fairly high, or certainly higher then it is at the moment.

Do you have pre cycle bloodwork to establish a baseline or to see what damage you might've caused?

Nope unfortunately I dont. I was just a stupid naive teenager I come from a family of quite masculine men (i.e. one was a semi pro rugby player) so I don't know if this meansm y test to be fairly high, or certainly higher then it is at the moment.

 

[Megatron28]

What did you do for PCT after you ran the dbol? And have you tried running PCT again since then?

What was your TT at prior to running the dbol cycle?

 

[Megatron28]

I merged your two threads.

 

[Electrisio]

I merged your two threads.

Thank you Megatron, I was confused about where to post. PCT wise I did a combination of Nolvadex and Clomid for 4 weeks. I didn't do a blood test before the cycle which I seriously regret now
I did try another PCT with clomid over a year ago and I think it boosted my test up a bit - I got around 600 in a test around the I think.
I am planning to see a leading endocrinologist to try and get a full on jumpstart going, hopefully with HCG (I hear that is good?). Problem is in the UK its quite standard to put people straight on TRT who have secondary hypogonadism, which is something I seriously need to avoid at my age. I'm hoping this top endocrinologist can sort me out with the right PCT stack. I just question whether my levels will stay high when I stop the PCT

 

[Megatron28]

Just thought I would point out that your TT is not that far off from the normal range for your age.

 

[Electrisio]

Just thought I would point out that your TT is not that far off from the normal range for your age.

My most recent test last week was 415. I am suffering from low T symptoms (mainly ED) so I feel that they really aren't where they should be. It seems that being shutdown is very hard to reverse, especially when the abuse was done at such a young age. Do you believe a restart is at all possible or test levels wouldn't be sustained after stopping the PCT?

 

[Electrisio]

Just thought I would point out that your TT is not that far off from the normal range for your age.

also I thought that test levels for some of my age should be more like 800ish

 

[Megatron28]

Restarts sometimes work. Depends on a lot of factors though.

If I were you - given what you have told us - I would run hCG for 2-3 months and then run Clomid + Nolva. Although I would feel better if we knew what your LH, FSH and TSH were at. Full blood work results would be very beneficial.

 

[Electrisio]

Restarts sometimes work. Depends on a lot of factors though.

If I were you - given what you have told us - I would run hCG for 2-3 months and then run Clomid + Nolva. Although I would feel better if we knew what your LH, FSH and TSH were at. Full blood work results would be very beneficial.

Ok thank you for the advice!

 

[chankle]

Just thought I would point out that your TT is not that far off from the normal range for your age.

^This. You're essentially near the ~40th percentile with values 400-500. Were these early AM blood draws? That means 40% of normal men have levels less than yours. While a T of 400-500 may not be optimal for bodybuilding, it is not pathologic and doesn't require treatment. The ED should be investigated, but there's no data supporting improved sexual function if you replace T in those with levels already >300.

 

[Electrisio]

^This. You're essentially near the ~40th percentile with values 400-500. Were these early AM blood draws? That means 40% of normal men have levels less than yours. While a T of 400-500 may not be optimal for bodybuilding, it is not pathologic and doesn't require treatment. The ED should be investigated, but there's no data supporting improved sexual function if you replace T in those with levels already >300.

Ah I see. Yes they were in the morning. I was quite concerned because so many people on these sites say that testosterone is highest in late teens and should be around 800. I did not realise that it keeps on going up all that time! Where are these graphs from out of interest?

 

[Megatron28]

Ah I see. Yes they were in the morning. I was quite concerned because so many people on these sites say that testosterone is highest in late teens and should be around 800. I did not realise that it keeps on going up all that time! Where are these graphs from out of interest?

Free Test is highest in the early 20's approximately. Total Test isn't. Most guys never see their Total Test reach 800ng/dl.

I found these charts in a medical text book. They are from a study, but I can remember the name/author of the study.