18 year old considering a cycle.. have been researching for a while

[supersafado]

If you have done your research like you said you have you would know what response you were going to get before you even asked the question.

At 18 you still have a lot of growing and developing to do. Any gains you want to make you can do naturally.

 

[Die$eL~Man]

So you choose not to grow.
Food=Size Food+AAS=more size

2800 calories is what an average 140lb kid eats to stop himself from starving to death.

cosigns

 

[masterchief1123]

Also, after looking at the pics I don't buy that you are 5'10 and only 160 in those pics unless you're walking on toothpicks, got a leg pic? If that's really you, then you've got a great upper body to start with, get on a 5x5 program and eat about 5000cal a day and 300g protein or so and you could be pretty big in less time than you think

squatted 245 just a little below parallel when i took those pics, why would I lie about how much I weigh?

 

[3J]

this is entertaining.....

hey kid.. if ur UNCLE is truly an endo and he says its ok.. go ahead and do whatever the crap u want...

u look like a liar.. cuz you have the backup of an endo and yet your looking for validation here...


fail imo...

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

5'11 175 11% (bod pod).. i don't care if I haven't reached my genetic potential yet. I want to enjoy a good body during the best years of my life, not during my midlife crisis. I eat 2800cals a day

and @ glubgawd, please post a study that documents one of these SuPeR HoRrIbLe risks occuring in people 25 and younger.. the risks are posted more times than people say obama is a bad president, but yet there are no documented cases of anything occuring with knowledgeable individuals all smoke and no fire

Wait are you shrinking already. I grew a inch between 24 and 25. I'd wait a few years. 6 foot ant to tall these days. 6'2 '' will keep you on par with chicks in heals.

the truth is your natural test levels are high enough. Taking steroids isn't going to have a big effect on you unless you body in a machine already and you kow how to eat to grow.

 

[RJ]

6 foot ant to tall these days. 6'2 '' will keep you on par with chicks in heals.

he's gonna need a study to believe this DPR.

 

[Not7fifteen]

squatted 245 just a little below parallel when i took those pics, why would I lie about how much I weigh?

I'm just saying that bc I'm 6'0 and 186 and look about like that upper body wise and I've got skinny legs genetically, if ur 160 in those pics and 5'11 ur legs would have to be tiny

 

[GetToDaChoppa!]

I personally think there is far too much emphasis on taking in huge amounts of calories to grow big. Like Dan Duchaine said, when you're on steroids, you technically require less protein to grow the same amount as someone without steroids. My pop was 230 pounds at 10% in the mid 90's when he was cycling. When I asked about his diet he said he ate 40/40/20 at 2500 calories a day (this on 1000mg of test a week). I think most guys on here try to eat like pro bodybuilders that are sitting at 280 pounds. It's kinda ridiculous how much calories some people intake. If you're an endomorph like me, quality of quantity is the rule. If you're a real ectomorph, stuff your face like a gluttonous fuck.

 

[RJ]

I personally think there is far too much emphasis on taking in huge amounts of calories to grow big. Like Dan Duchaine said, when you're on steroids, you technically require less protein to grow the same amount as someone without steroids. My pop was 230 pounds at 10% in the mid 90's when he was cycling. When I asked about his diet he said he ate 40/40/20 at 2500 calories a day (this on 1000mg of test a week). I think most guys on here try to eat like pro bodybuilders that are sitting at 280 pounds. It's kinda ridiculous how much calories some people intake. If you're an endomorph like me, quality of quantity is the rule. If you're a real ectomorph, stuff your face like a gluttonous fuck.

you make a very valid point. Unfortunately when i say eat, i not only mean eat more, but i mainly mean learn to eat to grow, not depend on steroids to grow. Relying on drugs to grow is what most of these young guys think is the right way. I've grown with normal cals, i don't constantly take in huge amounts. I just like cheat meals.

 

[llD3MONll]

i wouldn't say that i'm that small..

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my lats are pretty high up.. they are there but not visible if I put my arms down

i neglected my arms for a while but i'm hitting them hard now and taking it easy on the chest. the pics are pretty old as you can see from the timestamps, i weighed 160 in those pics

ur tiny as shit


get to at least 200lbs b4 u ever come back to this site and fast forward ur age to like 21

 

[bigmike425]

you guys have no mercy

 

[supersafado]

Stay with your HALO games masterchief. When you grow up a little and get a little older look into it. The guys on this site answer the questions they do because it's in your best interest and they have experience to back their answers.

 

[Zero V]

I will avoid the bashing bits.

You want to enjoy the best possible body for your age, as you stated your prime? How does not being able to perform when you get a hot girl because your PCT sucked...now everyone will know you as limp dick Mcgee. Gyno, test levels not returning to normal, your nuts ARE going to atrophy on cycle. Know girls who like raisins? Is that the idea of your perfect body?

I am 24, spent the entire last year sick, losing all my gains and starting over. You dont need steroids at 18 because I know I dont need steroids at 24. Use of supplements can aid you in your goals, but diet and training will grant you all the gains you could desire up until you reach that point of going above what your frame can hold IMO. Also there are theories on burning out your androgen receptors and so forth.

Save steroids for a few years down the road. I started looking at cycles at 19 years old...Studied alot...I am 24 never having cycle but having collected such books as Anabolic Pharmacology by Seth Roberts, reading hundreds of logs, studying research papers...They are an amazing tool yes. But one to be used responsibly.

Just because you want to take a shortcut(as we are taught to do in America, never accept responsibilities, and always take shortcuts to get what we want) does not make it the right choice. Ultimately its your choice, just like ultimately it is your body.

You know how often young men in their late 20's are ending up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now...

Enjoy not having to pin youself for your goals man..Enjoy not having side effects, not having insomnia and night sweats, enjoy not risking infection to stick yourself, enjoy not worrying about an abcess. Enjoy being young and having a body producing more testosterone than you could want, but not understanding that concept. Enjoy not having your BP shoot up, enjoy not having acne go crazy, enjoy your hair, enjoy your body functioning at its PRIME.

Some people pin literally to just maintain a healthy life. Enjoy what you got, save pinning for when it will have a greater benefit down the road.

 

[RJ]

I will avoid the bashing bits.

You want to enjoy the best possible body for your age, as you stated your prime? How does not being able to perform when you get a hot girl because your post cycle therapy (pct) sucked...now everyone will know you as limp dick Mcgee. Gyno, test levels not returning to normal, your nuts ARE going to atrophy on cycle. Know girls who like raisins? Is that the idea of your perfect body?

I am 24, spent the entire last year sick, losing all my gains and starting over. You dont need steroids at 18 because I know I dont need steroids at 24. Use of supplements can aid you in your goals, but diet and training will grant you all the gains you could desire up until you reach that point of going above what your frame can hold IMO. Also there are theories on burning out your androgen receptors and so forth.

Save steroids for a few years down the road. I started looking at cycles at 19 years old...Studied alot...I am 24 never having cycle but having collected such books as Anabolic Pharmacology by Seth Roberts, reading hundreds of logs, studying research papers...They are an amazing tool yes. But one to be used responsibly.

Just because you want to take a shortcut(as we are taught to do in America, never accept responsibilities, and always take shortcuts to get what we want) does not make it the right choice. Ultimately its your choice, just like ultimately it is your body.

You know how often young men in their late 20's are ending up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now...

Enjoy not having to pin youself for your goals man..Enjoy not having side effects, not having insomnia and night sweats, enjoy not risking infection to stick yourself, enjoy not worrying about an abcess. Enjoy being young and having a body producing more testosterone than you could want, but not understanding that concept. Enjoy not having your BP shoot up, enjoy not having acne go crazy, enjoy your hair, enjoy your body functioning at its PRIME.

Some people pin literally to just maintain a healthy life. Enjoy what you got, save pinning for when it will have a greater benefit down the road.

great post, but after a little while here your answers will be shortened to ones like mine.... unless you copy and paste. lol

 

[bigmike425]

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Stay with your HALO games masterchief. When you grow up a little and get a little older look into it. The guys on this site answer the questions they do because it's in your best interest and they have experience to back their answers.

ooooo did i sound like a newbie, defff not a kid, did you look at my profile also prob old enough to be your dad, and been doing this a long time,omg im in shit allready

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Total Crap and sorry Dan live in the stone age of muscle buliding.

 

[bpsarvar]

I started when I was 22 and I beleive I could grow more naturally. I dont regret it tho. But if you wanna strat doing a cycle go ahead and do it, its your call, but don't sue your uncle.

btw is your uncle, Uncle Z?!

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Your methodology regarding the acquisition of validation from an internet based community is injudicious at best. As pontificated by many the implementation of gear at your age is inadvisable. Consensus dictates a more sound methodology would be to utilize the diet and training forums available on this site. A short trial period utilizing high calories and compound movements may be a good means of determining the validity of the statements of our members.

On a side note I appreciate your cool even with dealing with blatant flaming. it shows a degree of maturity not often seen in an 18 year old. Now amaze me more and take my advice. If not then the cycle should be at least 12 weeks and clomid 4 weeks at 100/50/50/50/25/ Also start PCT at 2 weeks versus three when utilizing enanthate. Further the use of AI's during wait period for pct is not useful. AI's just stop the conversion of test to estrogen. You won't be taking any exogenous or making any endogenous test so aromasin is useless (in most cases).

 

[riprockwell]

And like everyone said, there is no guarantee you will be "just fine" from cycling at such a young age. You never know how a body will react. I cycled very young and I am under 30 years old and on TRT. I think you got plenty of solid advice from everyone here on the forum. To be your height and weigh 175, I know you have plenty of room for improvement. Hit up the diet and training forum here.

Looks also as if you are only training 3 days per week?? However, it still sounds like you are dead set with taking gear. Unfortunately you will be re-posting soon your results from your D-Bol only cycle and asking for help because your sweet titties are hurting. We will be waiting.

 

[cjw2021]

You are a fricken idiot. All you are going to do is age yourself faster and ruin your body at this age assuming your natural testosterone levels are normal. Since you are a newb you'll probably gain 10 lbs of muscle. Big woop...and the consequences of using that much will be dire.