2nd 24 week cycle Test, Eq, & Dbol

[randy841]

As of today Nov 8th/11 on the 3rd shot of 400mg every 4/5th day.

This is kicking in fast, as i have already built blood plasma levels of Test in body. Albeit only 250mg every 8th day.

So far with dosage of test going from 250mg to 800mg. Following is occurring
- getting up to eat in the middle of the night. Eq only amplifying the effect. 1st cycle hunger occurred to same degree or more also. However, it subsided after a few weeks, as i upped caloric intake on a weekly basis.
- a little bit of insomnia. Happened last round too on 500mg wkly, then subsided after a few weeks.

NOTE - i don't have any problems eating and that is not the reason i will ever cite for using Eq. I know some do that because they complain of not being able to consume enough food. I would not waste my time or money if eating was an issue. I am strictly in for the leaning effect, collagen synthesis, and offsetting the bloat with Eq. So far it is doing a great job.

Strength wise - i am nearing peak levels on BP strength. In terms of deadlift and squat i have already surpassed 1st cycle highs. Recurring problems in the shoulder are holding me a back little. Last round i was repping it out with 180lb military presses, now 95lb is causing pain. Pain has gone from left to right shoulder now. I use proper form - with no ego involved to see how much i can push. It is the trauma injuries that flare up from to time somehow triggered by AAS. Both shoulder have been at one or other seriously injured, and not being able to lift/raise them overhead for months at times.'

Bodyweight - hovering high 230s - low 240s.

Diet - is in strict check. Protocol outlined above is followed. Want to do lean bulk approach in a slow contrived manner. If i could just hover around mid 230s and bring body fat near low 10s% I'd be happy over the next 14 weeks.

 

[MeatHead96]

Hows the t3 working for you? Any sides? Good thread btw.

 

[randy841]

Very nice log...pretty solid 24 week cycle got excited when I seen it hahhaha

Thanks bro. So far it's going great.

 

[randy841]

Hows the t3 working for you? Any sides? Good thread btw.

Thanks.

Just added T3 this morning bro. I will follow up in the coming weeks and list my experience.

 

[MeatHead96]

Thanks.

Just added T3 this morning bro. I will follow up in the coming weeks and list my experience.

Cool I'm interested to see how it works for you. I will be following.

 

[randy841]

Hows the t3 working for you? Any sides? Good thread btw.

On T3 31.25mcg ed - going into 7th day tomorrow.

With the start of the T3, the immediate feeling was that of hunger - uncontrollable at first. And surprisingly it has had a very leaning effect, especially in the waist area.

So far no sides on T3. About 10 days prior to switching up from T4 to T3, I had upped T/E from 250mg every 8th day to 400mg every 4/5th day. The noticeable effect was immediate, especially the leaning around the waist area and somewhat the face. Noticed the leaning effect especially last week not sure if that is the T/E 400mg or/and T3. I am likely attributing a little bit to both. I have been on nearly 10+ weeks priming the body with low doses of Test and nearly 600mg of Eq. I think now just playing around with different (compounds) and dosages is having a magnified effect.

Other notables are a lot more vascularity and fullness in the quads (27.5" left, 27.25" right). Upon waking up, they are full of veins (not bulging) very visible through the skin. Skin appears to very thin and shiny - "no not bloated or watery look either". For the first time, the tear drops on the quads are starting to appear. More spectacular on the left side then the right.

 

[MeatHead96]

Thanks for the update bro. I'm interested in T3 myself but it makes me a bit nervous cause I really don't want to fuck up my thyroid.

 

[randy841]

LIFTS - strength is starting to shoot up to prior highs in the upper body

Though the problems in the shoulders are notable as detailed in a log above, the chest strength is going up progressively on a weekly basis -- the last few weeks. I have even skipped shoulder workout this week due to the pain and impingement that has moved to the right shoulder now.

Barbell Bench Press
245lb*8
255lb*4
Goal is for 275lb*8-12.


Incline dumbbells
90*10reps (fairly easy)
100lb*7


Weekly progression is underway ...

Also notable is the fat loss in the chest area. I started noticing this about 5-6 weeks back when i upped the eq dosage to 600mg. So far the name of the game is slow and steady, and it's working fairly well.

 

[randy841]

Thanks for the update bro. I'm interested in T3 myself but it makes me a bit nervous cause I really don't want to fuck up my thyroid.

No problem bro.

I have looked into T3 usage fairly extensively before commencing with this approach. If you are looking to use it - start slow. Taper up and down for a max of 6 weeks. Or you can stay at the same dosage i.e. 25mcg throughout the 6 weeks.

All studies (in reputable medical journals) indicate that the bodies own system kicks in within 2-4 weeks upon stoppage. Even after long term usage, the bodies own system kicks. Albeit, it might take a bit longer.

P.S. upon stoppage i plan to continue with my prescribed 75mcg ed T4 dosage. I will then repeat this every 6 weeks.

 

[randy841]

MeatHead96, I will post some studies on T3, that i have saved in the near future for more in depth info.

 

[randy841]

I think now just playing around with different (compounds) and dosages is having a magnified effect.

FYI

With the addition of 400mg Test every 4/5th day (a few weeks back), upped from T/E 250mg every 8th day, the breakdown is as follows per shot ...

 

[randy841]

Thanks.

Just added T3 this morning bro. I will follow up in the coming weeks and list my experience.

As of Nov 20, 2011. The T3 dosage has been doubled

from 31.25 to 62.50mcg ed for the next 2 weeks.

Then i will taper this down.

 

[randy841]

Week 1-8 Dbol 30mg(on days) 20mg(off)
- Looking to throw in 40-50mg on workout days only for the duration of the cycle

As of Fri Nov 18th, i have started adding 40mg dbol on workout days only.

First day hardly felt anything, yesterday workout was great. Fullness and roundness on the arms and traps was evident following chest, shoulder, and tricep workout.

Pumps on the back became a little bit of a problem towards the end. However, nothing uncontrollable. As blood plasma levels build over the coming days and weeks, i will see if the pumps become a problem comparatively to doing Dbol ED. Last time around doing it ED, it was a huge a problem.

 

[randy841]

MeatHead96, I will post some studies on T3, that i have saved in the near future for more in depth info.

Thanks to Trevdog's post (09-05-2007) here on 'ology, i found the following meathead, which should pretty much sum up most of the other studies i have saved as to the long term use of T3 and thyroid damage.

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Like the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, the thyroid gland is under negative feedback control. When t3 levels go up, TSH secretion is suppressed. This is the mechanism whereby exogenous thyroid hormone suppresses natural thyroid hormone production. There is a difference though between the way anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone production and the way t3 suppresses the thyroid. With steroids, the longer and heavier the cycle is, the longer your natural testosterone is suppressed. This is not the case with exogenous thyroid hormone.

An early study that looked at thyroid function and recovery under the influence of exogenous thyroid hormone was undertaken by Greer (2). He looked at patients who were misdiagnosed as being hypothyroid and put on thyroid hormone replacement for as long as 30 years. When the medication was withdrawn, their thyroids quickly returned to normal.

Here is a remark about Greer's classic paper from a later author:


"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3)

These results have been subsequently verified in several studies. (3)(4) So contrary to what has been stated in the bodybuilding literature, there is no evidence that long term thyroid supplementation will somehow damage your thyroid gland.

 

[randy841]

With the addition of 400mg test of every 4/5th day a few weeks back, I seem to have caught a test flu of sorts. Since last Monday (Nov 14) - following the administration of a shot Sunday (Nov 13), it does not seem to go ago away until yesterday. The onset of the flu was following one of those painful shots that happens from time to time leaving bumps and bruises, when the needle is shifted or not steady while depressing syringe.

Anyways felt like the top of the head was gonna blow off towards space (high bp?), feeling tired and fatigued, and high body heat when everyone else around me is feeling the chills. Weather is staying in the low 3-7 Celsius area to -4 Celsius last night. The feeling of the flu is still there a little today - however not as bad.

Body acclimating to the high test again?
FYI - Just for the last 2 shots brought down Eq dosage from 300mg to 250mg per shot.

BW is hovering in the mid 230s.
BP - check this on weekly and bi-wkly basis - no problems.
Heart rate - normal
No other healths problems
Do not smoke (never)/drink (only casually once or twice a year)/ or do any recreational drugs (never)
Aspirin/Ephedrine/Caffeine - used sparingly.

 

[GPRO]

Nice log you have here
You not afraid that you won't full recovery after a 24-weeker? Hell of a time to be on imho! Especially for your second cycle.

Try warming up your rotary cuff before chest and shoulder exercises. Helped me alot on my shoulder injury.

Dorian Yates' Blood & Guts Trainer: Chest & Biceps - Bodybuilding.com - YouTube @ 45sec.

Can also check:
http://www.irongarmx.net/Articles/7_minute_rotator_cuff_solution.pdf

 

[randy841]

Nice log you have here
You not afraid that you won't full recovery after a 24-weeker? Hell of a time to be on imho! Especially for your second cycle.

Try warming up your rotary cuff before chest and shoulder exercises. Helped me alot on my shoulder injury.

Dorian Yates' Blood & Guts Trainer: Chest & Biceps - Bodybuilding.com - YouTube @ 45sec.

Can also check:
http://www.irongarmx.net/Articles/7_minute_rotator_cuff_solution.pdf

Thanks GPRO.

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I will try doing the rotator cuff warm-ups as suggested. Tx for the links.

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No not afraid at all bro with the 24 weeker. I may in fact extend it. I figured once you are shut down - you are shut down, so i might as well take full advantage of homeostasis that ONLY comes with longer cycles. I plan on hitting PCT full throttle afterwards. Even the first cycle, i went for 18 weeks and fell short of the 24wk plan. I retained up to 80% of the strength and 50% of the bodyweight. The latter # may sound like a big loss, as some point out to me (i.e. 3J). To me it's not. Given i did NOT use any anti estrogens (i.e. arimidex, aromasin, or/and femara) to offset bloat/estrogen, other than Nolva twice to fight off signs of gyno. Hence, that much water (muscle?) loss or/and some of the gains was expected. I even kept Nolva to a minimalist level to take advantage of IGF (see studies posted in 1st cycle log). Not saying it's the right way, the better way, or the only way bro - just what i felt most comfortable with after having done years of research. The first cycle i did in 2010-2011, i had planned it out in 2004 with the help of this board, when i first joined. Albeit, the original blue print involved many more compounds than those used.

 

[randy841]

Severe knee following leg workouts

After about 1-2 hours following completion of leg workouts having severe knee pain. This usually lasts for a few days.

Typically i do the following on leg days

- Smith Machine Squat or Front barbell squat
- Leg press or eow alternate with smith leg press
- Leg extension
- Leg Curl
- Calves

Following workouts painful to get up from sitting position. I am conscious of this as i know from a sitting position that standing up will cause severe pain. This has been going on for a quite a while. Trying to put the two & two together to see if this started with the commencement of T4 under the supervision of a endocrinologist around mid May 2011. Will go through old logs here again. Now that i am taking 62.5mcg T3 ed, the pain is also felt in the elbows, where it would not normally occur to the current extent, duration, and degree. In about 3 workout sessions, i felt as if the right elbow/arm would give up under the weight. Normally what are about 80-85% of 8-10 rep max became the max or have to be cut short or go much lighter in weight.

Last week took entire week off doing legs except light leg curls and extensions. However, the pain in the knee has not subsided following the leg workouts from yesterday, despite the rest.

I did workout as follows Friday Nov 25/11.

- No cardio
- Smith Machine squat 3-4 warmups starting with 1 plate, 1 & qrtrs, 2 plates, 2 and qrtrs. Then did 3 sets of 3 plates and 5lb each side for 7-10 reps.
- Leg press - a few warmups
1 set 5 plates * 10-12
3 sets 7 plates (45s) 6-8
1 set 6 plates * 8
- Leg extensions - a few warm ups first ... then
4*190lb * 8-10 - with each set followed by a superset at 40-45% of original weight
- Leg curls (lying down)
4*90lb * 8-10 w/ superset at 50lb then last one 30
- no calves are done on leg workouts due to severe cramping and spasms following the workout above. This has been ongoing.

NUTRITION WISE
- upped supplemental intake of whey protein to twice a day on non workout days from no intake. And 3 times + 1 weight gainer shake (Muscle Juice 2640) once on workout days in the morning from only 2 scoops following workout days.
- Today also started 3000mg of Salmon oil
- No multivitamin
- Flax seed and wheat germ in oatmeal 4-5 times a week
- Zinc 50mg ed
- workout days if onset of back pumps Potassium, Magnesium, & Taurine
- Other than that diet is completely vegetarian. Most of the protein comes from whey, cheese, milk, lentils, and beans.


Also note - that in the past i have been severely hurt in various accidents, leading to serious trauma (injuries displaced disproportionately on knees/shoulders). The tendon on the right knee is torn. Also when i press on the knee i feel the water like you would press on a water sponge. You can also hear the sound - if careful attention is paid.

Also in the past 3-4 weeks, i have started using pullover knee pads made by LP Support. In all my years, i have never used knee wraps OR any other apparatuses, other than a weightlifting belt. Form is strict on workouts, and belt is used sparingly or unless back pumps become problematic (usually on cycle), then i wear for even walking around.

Body weight (use +-5lb standard deviation)
236 1/2lb - no clothes. Weigh in completed following workout Wed Nov 23/11.

Last 3 sessions also started 40mg dbol on workout days only.

 

[randy841]

Since the start of Dbol intake on workout days - @40mg per workout. I have taken on somewhat of a watery look. Have not gained much weight. But skin seems soft and inflated around the abdominal cavity, and even a little bloated. Have heard of comments of bloated face. I have seen the latter yesterday on a first hand basis - noticeable following workout. Then the puffiness is gone by the morning usually.

In the way of strength, i have hardly noticed anything. However, the workouts are great. I like the feeling of the hulk, while working out. Dead giveaway is the upper back and traps. Arms not much to speak of other than on workout days. We all have our weaknesses. Mine are arms.

Sitting at 17.5" (flexed) left and 17"1/8 right (measured on not workout day).

The mitigating factor in the stagnant strength is likely the T3. Can't kill two birds with one stone.

 

[randy841]

In the way of sides. Since the start of 400mg test every 4/5th day and/or dbol

-2 pimples on right cheek over the last 3 weeks - very mild - no white heads. This was taken care of overnight with Retinols - usually gone w/in 24hrs.

- Blood pressure since intake of dbol elevated. Average reading this evening 136/89. This was likely the headaches and blowup of the head i expected towards space reported last week in log above. Last round, this normalized w/in about about a week following initial spike, plateau, then normalization.

- heart rate average 82. Usually lower average if just sitting around - mid 60s.

- really dry skin almost to the point of a rash on the wrists extending to the hand by about an inch. This is likely weather and the compounds working in sync. Last round, had same problem, as hands holding even mi-nute amounts of water and a millimeter or two of thickness can do that.

Haven't done much cardio lately if at all. Gotta kick that up a noche. That'll take care of the high BP. Eating clean - so no worries on that front.