35years old, 6'3 246 16-17%bf, never done gear, is 200 mg of test cyp a good start??!

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Dirkmcgirk

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Wanted to run it 16 weeks, build some quality muscle and get my body fat down a bit. Basically a recomp.

Can I expect some pretty dramatic gains?

I currently do time volume training so with this particular cycle should I go back to traditional 3-4 exercises at 3-4 sets for 6-10 reps??
 
If I were to shut my hpta down 2 is ok 4 is better but 500 would be best. The estro conversion will go up accordingly so you may like a high trt dose.

I d get an ai to counter water any gyno flares and of course pct out to hopefully achieve natural production.
 
I actually planned on running hcg during. I know this is a silly question but do you think I can get some pretty significant gains and simultaneous losses. Or would I just need to focus on one and not the othwr
 
3 j is the man as it s a matter of diet but if you run 200..with hcg and lift like you say and clean up diet and add some aerobics....low intensity long in duration....yes I d say you could...

PCT BABY can not forget that
 
I'm a fan of low dose cycles, but 250 or 300 mg/week would be better than 200. 200 mg/week should give you a little boost compared to training natty. Nothing dramatic.

A recomp is definitely possible with your first cycle. Losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time gets harder and harder as you get in better shape.

I'd definitely run an AI with that body fat percentage. Get blood work done before, during, and after the cycle. Blood work 1 month in will tell you if you need to adjust your AI dose. The pre and post cycle blood work will show you how well you've recovered (and if you're a candidate for TRT).

200 mg/week won't give you dramatic gains, but you might feel dramatic effects in your personal life. Sex drive, energy, ambition, and drive for success.
 
m314 said:
I'm a fan of low dose cycles, but 250 or 300 mg/week would be better than 200. 200 mg/week should give you a little boost compared to training natty. Nothing dramatic.

A recomp is definitely possible with your first cycle. Losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time gets harder and harder as you get in better shape.

I'd definitely run an AI with that body fat percentage. Get blood work done before, during, and after the cycle. Blood work 1 month in will tell you if you need to adjust your AI dose. The pre and post cycle blood work will show you how well you've recovered (and if you're a candidate for TRT).

200 mg/week won't give you dramatic gains, but you might feel dramatic effects in your personal life. Sex drive, energy, ambition, and drive for success.
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I appreciate the words. I would just like add 10 or 15l a of muscle and lose 15lbs of muscle. As a 35 year old man this seems like it should be too difficult
 
Dirkmcgirk said:
I appreciate the words. I would just like add 10 or 15l a of muscle and lose 15lbs of muscle. As a 35 year old man this seems like it should be too difficult
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That should be possible if you aren't in great shape already. It would be more difficult if you're already close to your natural limit. I lost fat and got much stronger with my first injectable cycle at 33. I did 300 mg/week of test e. I had done a few prohormone cycles before that, so the gains from my first test cycle weren't as dramatic.

Depending on blood work, you might get a nice little boost from a standalone AI /SERM cycle. If your E2 is high (which it might be at 16/17%), you could probably double your natural test with low dose aromasin and clomid. That could give you a boost similar to 200 mg/week of testosterone, and you could run it longer without worrying about shutdown.
 
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I can honestly say that I got real muscle gains and lost body fat at a rate I never had before running 200per week Test Cyp at age 40, and I'd been lifting my entire adult life. I had several friends and family ask about my workout regimen which was largely unchanged vs what I'd been doing for several years. My diet was really clean though and the strength gains were very noticeable; probably 20% across the board. I have now raised to 500p/w for 3 months to see what the gains look like. After the three month blast I will go back down to my TRT dosage of 200 per week.
 
like mentioned above, get your PCT planned and sorted (clomid/nolva 50mg/40mg for 30days, begin 20 days after last injection of test)

if you're running HCG, stop that one week before you begin PCT... and I'd consider adex at .25 eod beginning week 2, run til one week before PCT

as for your goals of recomp... very possible of a longer period of time. For this one focus on the diet, and see where it takes you. If you can go down to 225-230 at 12ish% you'll be surprised by difference...

I would say 300mg of test would be a better number than 200mg, but 200mg will still get you something, especially if your diet is dialed in
 
Thanks for the words. My 'nutritionist' is gonna recommend a good pct for me. He advised against a clomid only cycle. 6'3 at 235-240 with 10-12%bf would definitely be ideal. Not necessarily tryin to look like a bodybuilder more like a really in shape tight end or linebacker
 
Dirkmcgirk said:
Thanks for the words. My 'nutritionist' is gonna recommend a good pct for me. He advised against a clomid only cycle. 6'3 at 235-240 with 10-12%bf would definitely be ideal. Not necessarily tryin to look like a bodybuilder more like a really in shape tight end or linebacker
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your goals are attainable, but give it more time... 16 wks is not realistic to attain that kind of transformation (5-7% reduction in bf% and only losing 5-10lbs of body weight)
 
Dirkmcgirk said:
What is a realistic time to run it?
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16 weeks is about as long as you should go if you're planning on coming off and getting your natural testosterone back. It might take a few low dose cycles (or deciding to stay "on") before you reach your goals.

A higher dose is another option. 500 mg/week will give you a more dramatic transformation compared to 200.
 
How about you get a blood test first and see where you're at naturally. You're thinking of running a dose of testosterone that frankly may be less than what you make naturally; or possibly could be prescribed if you are not making enough. At 35, it could go either way, but I honestly think seeing what you already have first would be prudent in this case.

FYI: I inject more than 200mg/wk just to reach normal values. Wouldn't it suck to venture into this blindly, feel instantly better, and not know that you could have had this all along? Besides, you would want to double that dose to see any sort of results that you likely have in mind, just based on your stats. Us bigger fellas tend to require more of everything, hormones certainly not being an exception.

My .02c :)
 
halfwit said:
How about you get a blood test first and see where you're at naturally. You're thinking of running a dose of testosterone that frankly may be less than what you make naturally; or possibly could be prescribed if you are not making enough. At 35, it could go either way, but I honestly think seeing what you already have first would be prudent in this case.

FYI: I inject more than 200mg/wk just to reach normal values. Wouldn't it suck to venture into this blindly, feel instantly better, and not know that you could have had this all along? Besides, you would want to double that dose to see any sort of results that you likely have in mind, just based on your stats. Us bigger fellas tend to require more of everything, hormones certainly not being an exception.

My .02c :)
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I've had bloodwork done and I am at 800 (348-1197) total and free 17.7 (8.7-25.1)
 
A lot of great advice here, all from dudes who know there shit. I have much different stats then you, 26, 5'8, 151lbs and currently off watiting to get back on, but the first cycle I ever did was test cyp, 300mg and saw pretty impressive results. Have to agree that 200 is way to low and you may be dissopointed. PCT PCT PCT!!! Good luck bro keep us posted
 
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