Adding Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to long test e cycle

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Donkey Kong Jr

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Adding HCG to long test e cycle

Hi,

I'm on a long cycle (+20wks and counting) of ~200mg test e per week (125mg/E4D). Ignorant as I am I haven't been using hCG but want to start to do so from now on. As far as I understand a typical dose would be 500mcg once per week, 250mcg 2x per week or 100mcg ED. An approach for my case could be 250mcg E4D the day after my test shot to have the test spike outweigh the estrogen response of the hCG (please correct me if I'm wrong) and this is the approach I'll use unless I stumble upon something else in my reaearch.

However, since I've been on test for so long a "blast" might be needed to kick the ol' gonads in to gear, a lot of stuff I read suggest this, but I'm not sure if it is necessary in my case since my dose is so low, any thoughts?

Thanks in advance everybody, appreciate the help.
 
It has produced nice gains and I'm quite happy with it. A higher dose is not an option due to risks of being caught in drug tests.

Consider it HRT :)
 
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Donkey Kong Jr said:
It has produced nice gains and I'm quite happy with it. A higher dose is not an option due to risks of being caught in drug tests.

Consider it HRT :)
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How old are you and are you a canidate for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)? just curious brother,and also companies and other places dont usually test for AAS,very rarely unless you are talking about doctors lol......i guess some people do get some good gains off 200mg if they've never used before

and on that dose,IMO i dont think you will need HCG,i maybe wrong,but i dont think so

My testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose is 300mg/week fromma doctor,and its the least i can take to keep my gains off cycle,and yes i do use HCG all the time at 250iu twice per week.But i cant have any kids any more

Sorry man,its just odd someone using that low a dose for a cycle,ive never heard if it before
 
I'd been traning for +10 years before I started and have gained about 15lbs of lean mass in less than a year so I'd definetly say that it's working.

Seems like you have a cool doctor, 300mg EW is far beyond testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) :)
 
This article suggests that you are wrong about hCG not being needed for low doses: Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin maintains intratesticular testosterone in normal men with testosterone-induced gonadotropin suppression.

Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate weekly in combination with either saline placebo or 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day for 3 wk. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and at the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/liter) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/liter). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline, respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 to 72 nmol/liter) in the T enanthate/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Posttreatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group.
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ITT=Intratesticular testosterone
 
if you didn't start with it, don't bother jumping on in the middle. your axis is shut down fully. take it heading towards pct and during, and if you want to use it on cycle to help keep the balls from shrinking go ahead and start it the same time you start your test.
 
To sum it up...

Dosage is irrelevant to the hpta shut down.

Exogenes intro of test will shut you down..period.

You can start it, I would, anytime to stimulate your boy s.

You do not have to wait till the end..I d go with a couple 500 blast s then settle into a small maintence dose like 125-250 2 3 time s a week....
 
2x this

Teutonic said:
To sum it up...

Dosage is irrelevant to the hpta shut down.

Exogenes intro of test will shut you down..period.

You can start it, I would, anytime to stimulate your boy s.

You do not have to wait till the end..I d go with a couple 500 blast s then settle into a small maintence dose like 125-250 2 3 time s a week....
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yes ... test dosage is irrelevant. your body will and is shut down.

also one blast even as high as 1000 or 2 separate blasts of 500 and than 250 eod or 3x a week should be good

i think 200mg of test can give some nice gains and of course increased libido, energy, improved mood ... especially at first for new users.
 
If you go this route, you better make sure your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is spot on. I did the 500 iu short blast and my left nipple felt like it was going to pop five days later. I'm still chugging Letro trying to get that fucking pea to go away.
Get your blood work done and make sure your estrogen is totally in check before this blast.

Teutonic said:
To sum it up...

Dosage is irrelevant to the hpta shut down.

Exogenes intro of test will shut you down..period.

You can start it, I would, anytime to stimulate your boy s.

You do not have to wait till the end..I d go with a couple 500 blast s then settle into a small maintence dose like 125-250 2 3 time s a week....
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Do you guys suggest going off, do post cycle therapy (pct) and then start back up again with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or blasting and the continue with hcg?
 
just cruise Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) along with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout cycle, monitor your gyno symptoms. STOP Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before you do your PCT but taper down Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage.

Trial and error my friend.
 
BodybuilderX said:
just cruise Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) along with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout cycle, monitor your gyno symptoms. STOP Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before you do your PCT but taper down Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage.

Trial and error my friend.
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My initial plan was to be on the 200mg/wk "forever" (I'm in my thirties) but right now I feel better about switching to a long cycle of 12 or 16 weeks so right now I want to come off and do some PCT until I'm up and running on my own again. I've looked at the pinned PCT threads and have some idea of what to do but since my dose is quite low some moderations might be in order. So a) how do you suggest PCT is administered coming off 200mg/wk test e and b) when should I expect to be "working" again and ready to start another cycle?

All the help is much appreciated :)
 
Bullseye if you don't mind me asking how old are you and why can't you have kids? I'm 29 and Ive ran about 3 cycles of 20 weeks in the past and I'm always pairnoid that I won't be able to have kids. I've always ran PCT but not strong ones like I do now. I know run HCG,NOLVA,CLOMID...
 
BalcoBob said:
Bullseye if you don't mind me asking how old are you and why can't you have kids? I'm 29 and Ive ran about 3 cycles of 20 weeks in the past and I'm always pairnoid that I won't be able to have kids. I've always ran post cycle therapy (pct) but not strong ones like I do now. I know run HCG,NOLVA,CLOMID...
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no problem brother,when i was 30 years old,i had a vasectomy,we had just decided that 2 children is all we wanted and I decided to have it done,looking back i regret it,because of my wife im married to now.

Also im 46 years old and i just dont think i could handle children at my age lol.

So when i do cycles,im on lifetime testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so i dont worry about post cycle therapy (pct),i just decrease my cycle test dose each week at the end of my cycle to experience an easier transition instead of going from a high dose of test to my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose,works so much better for me and i feel better

Plus i run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) year round to keep my boys hanging,and to help myself have an orgasm,esp when I use deca,i dont have deca dick,but it effects me in that way,its some bad stuff lol
 
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I think the best solution is to come off the cycle and get the system up and running on its own again and then start doing 16wk cycles with hCG from the beginning. Thus, I've created a thread about post cycle therapy (pct) and my low dose if anyone is interested in answering: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/624029-post cycle therapy (pct)-coming-off-low-dose-t.html. I felt a new thread was in order in case anybody else wanted to know about low doses and post cycle therapy (pct), thanks :)
 
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