All About T3 and How to Use it On Cycle.

[Mad- scientist]

I now am putting your threads saved in my favorites before I even read them. Because I know they are going to be full of great information! Thanks again for all the time you have spent teaching every one the things you have learned. I believe that if some one follows a lot of the stuff you have said it could really help them to be safer and avoid bad side effects with the substances they use. So props man its a crazy world out there when it comes to experimenting with bodybuilding substances and its nice to have a experienced guy in our corner giving us good advice.

 

[Austinite]

I now am putting your threads saved in my favorites before I even read them. Because I know they are going to be full of great information! Thanks again for all the time you have spent teaching every one the things you have learned. I believe that if some one follows a lot of the stuff you have said it could really help them to be safer and avoid bad side effects with the substances they use. So props man its a crazy world out there when it comes to experimenting with bodybuilding substances and its nice to have a experienced guy in our corner giving us good advice.

Thanks for the kind words, MS. Much appreciated brother.

 

[Megatron28]

If you are using T3 while not on cycle, is Albuterol analbolic enough to prevent the muscle loss from taking T3?

 

[Austinite]

If you are using T3 while not on cycle, is Albuterol analbolic enough to prevent the muscle loss from taking T3?

Excellent question, Megatron. Albuterol is not enough to stave off muscle waste. Although the combination is great (if you can handle it) as albuterol is one of the better B2 agonists. I would still recommend anabolic steroids. But you don't have to treat your steroids as a "Cycle" type protocol. You can run Test E or C and inject once weekly.

 

[Nightmare007]

Aah yu beat me to it!
Was working one for a clen only or clen and t3 cycle

 

[Nightmare007]

I didn't know that using 200mcg of t4 was the same as 50 mch of t3

 

[Austinite]

Aah yu beat me to it!
Was working one for a clen only or clen and t3 cycle

Do clen brother! I'd love to see that. I can't do clen because my experience is too limited.

 

[Nightmare007]

Do clen brother! I'd love to see that. I can't do clen because my experience is too limited.

I do the standard 2weeks on two off staring @ 20 mcg and bumping up 20mcg ed till I'm upto 120 mcg ed
If I use t3 I run it @ 100 mcg ed with 50 mcg of igf 1 lr3 ed

 

[ajntorinj]

I am a bit confused with how T3 can result in leaner gains on a bulk cycle.

One sacrifices some muscle gains for less fat gain, yes? Does T3 supplementation cause faster rates of protein synthesis? Do high T3 levels result in a metabolic preference for fat? I am guessing eating a caloric excess while taking T3 results in less muscle catabolism than in a deficit since the body has both fat and the ingested calories to fuel itself.

Austinite, using T3 on a mass gaining AAS cycle is unconventional to me. I think it would be interesting if you made a comprehensive cycle including all of your recommended chemicals (T3, test base, cialis, NAC, B-12, etc.) for optimal gains while maintaining health and quality of life. You have given interesting advice, but collating it in one place would benefit a lot of users, I think.

 

[DreDay187]

I am a bit confused with how T3 can result in leaner gains on a bulk cycle.

One sacrifices some muscle gains for less fat gain, yes? Does T3 supplementation cause faster rates of protein synthesis? Do high T3 levels result in a metabolic preference for fat? I am guessing eating a caloric excess while taking T3 results in less muscle catabolism than in a deficit since the body has both fat and the ingested calories to fuel itself.

Austinite, using T3 on a mass gaining AAS cycle is unconventional to me. I think it would be interesting if you made a comprehensive cycle including all of your recommended chemicals (T3, test base, cialis, NAC, B-12, etc.) for optimal gains while maintaining health and quality of life. You have given interesting advice, but collating it in one place would benefit a lot of users, I think.

T3 supplementation results in an increase in proteolysis or the breakdown of protein. When on AAS, protein synthesis is elevated and is enough to overpower so to speak the degradation effects of T3. Since it still increases metabolism and you've managed to save the muscle with AAS, fat is the remaining source of energy it goes after. Protein synthesis is reduced with T3 but not enough to cancel out the increase by AAS. T3 is indiscriminate when it comes to what it burns but higher levels of T3 use means more possibility for protein breakdown.

 

[ajntorinj]

T3 supplementation results in an increase in proteolysis or the breakdown of protein. When on AAS, protein synthesis is elevated and is enough to overpower so to speak the degradation effects of T3. Since it still increases metabolism and you've managed to save the muscle with AAS, fat is the remaining source of energy it goes after. Protein synthesis is reduced with T3 but not enough to cancel out the increase by AAS. T3 is indiscriminate when it comes to what it burns but higher levels of T3 use means more possibility for protein breakdown.

Thank you for the reply. So there is a trade-off with leaner gains and more muscle mass using this method.

 

[Bobbyrude]

Well, that really depends. If you put in the effort, you most certainly can. Since T3 will increase your BMR, you can expect to lose fat at a higher rate than you normally would. Test prop would be fine. You can also use a long ester if you don't feel like injecting so often. So long as a fair amount of testosterone is being metabolized, you'll be fine.

How much of a Prop would you possibly need, I know with Prop you get a higher free test then compared to Test-E so you probably wouldnt have to run 500 a week of prop. 300-400?

 

[Austinite]

How much of a Prop would you possibly need, I know with Prop you get a higher free test then compared to Test-E so you probably wouldnt have to run 500 a week of prop. 300-400?

Prop is no different than enanthate. So the same amount.

 

[ajntorinj]

Enanthate is a longer ester than propionate, so on a mg per mg basis, prop has more testosterone, no (83.72mg vs 71.99mg of testosterone per 100mg of TP and TE)?

 

[Austinite]

Enanthate is a longer ester than propionate, so on a mg per mg basis, prop has more testosterone, no (83.72mg vs 71.99mg of testosterone per 100mg of TP and TE)?

Negligible difference. Metabolism is what you need to look at, not ester.

 

[ajntorinj]

Negligible difference. Metabolism is what you need to look at, not ester.

Interesting. I was slightly displeased when I switched from E to C on my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) regimen on account of the ester being heavier. Good to know I was being ridiculous for two reasons instead of just one. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Austinite]

Interesting. I was slightly displeased when I switched from E to C on my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) regimen on account of the ester being heavier. Good to know I was being ridiculous for two reasons instead of just one. Thanks for clearing that up.

All good questions, brother.

The range mentioned in the article is 250 - 300 mg. If there is concern, just run 300 minimum. There won't be any atrophy at these doses.

 

[Bobbyrude]

Prop is no different than enanthate. So the same amount.

Hmm well shit if its just the same I might as well just run 10 weeks of Test-E 500mg. Though I only really need to shed 15-20lbs, which most likely be less then that more like last 10lbs since im cutting very very slowly right now.

 

[DreDay187]

Hmm well shit if its just the same I might as well just run 10 weeks of Test-E 500mg. Though I only really need to shed 15-20lbs, which most likely be less then that more like last 10lbs since im cutting very very slowly right now.

You're mixing things up. The ester doesn't change anything but the release time of the compound, yes lighter esters will also have slightly more test per ml as well but this doesn't change much. There is a difference in release time meaning enanthate ester will take 4-6wks to build serum levels so if you run a 10wk cycle with an enanthate ester it means you could potentially have only 4wks of "max" serum levels. Run enanthate for 12wks to get the full benefits.

 

[Bobbyrude]

You're mixing things up. The ester doesn't change anything but the release time of the compound, yes lighter esters will also have slightly more test per ml as well but this doesn't change much. There is a difference in release time meaning enanthate ester will take 4-6wks to build serum levels so if you run a 10wk cycle with an enanthate ester it means you could potentially have only 4wks of "max" serum levels. Run enanthate for 12wks to get the full benefits.

I was meaning it would be more beneficial cost wise. I'd only have to buy 2 vials of Test-E compared too buying like 6 Prop.