All Oral Cycle + T3

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My weight is going up, mainly because I was upset that these past 3 months have gone to waste and started eating poorly for the past three weeks. I'm starting to clean up again, but I want to gain only muscle weight. I used to run 3 miles daily during that two year period. I want to have a decent frame for my size, because right now, with all the weight I lost and the fat percentage I maintained, my head looks bigger than before in proportion to my small frame. Maybe 170-175 for a weight goal, but above all, I want to be cut. Is it my workout regimen? Is it my diet? Is it me?
 
JizzleBerries said:
I'd focus on bulking up with the dbol and anavar and of course make sure you are getting plenty of good quality cals. Then run the Winstrol (winny) and T3 in a separate cut cycle...will help you keep your strength and get the definition you are hoping for. That's just my opinion though..take it with a grain of salt.
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What were you reading? There is no mention of Winstrol.
 
commanderfb22 said:
My weight is going up, mainly because I was upset that these past 3 months have gone to waste and started eating poorly for the past three weeks. I'm starting to clean up again, but I want to gain only muscle weight. I used to run 3 miles daily during that two year period. I want to have a decent frame for my size, because right now, with all the weight I lost and the fat percentage I maintained, my head looks bigger than before in proportion to my small frame. Maybe 170-175 for a weight goal, but above all, I want to be cut. Is it my workout regimen? Is it my diet? Is it me?
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It is:
  • your diet
  • your workout

Get a trainer. Not a local fuck. PM me and I'll get you a very good online trainer for a few hundred dollars. Money well spent.
 
commanderfb22 said:
My weight is going up, mainly because I was upset that these past 3 months have gone to waste and started eating poorly for the past three weeks. I'm starting to clean up again, but I want to gain only muscle weight. I used to run 3 miles daily during that two year period. I want to have a decent frame for my size, because right now, with all the weight I lost and the fat percentage I maintained, my head looks bigger than before in proportion to my small frame. Maybe 170-175 for a weight goal, but above all, I want to be cut. Is it my workout regimen? Is it my diet? Is it me?
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Well, if you your goal is 170-175, you can do that naturally for certain. For your stature, you can certainly achieve that naturally. I think it could be a little of both (diet and workout regiman). I've never checked out the fitness portion of this site but I imagine there are some good workouts in there. With your height, you can probably go up to 190 even and be cut. You would be wasting your money to invest in gear right now. I know you probably don't want to hear that but it's the truth and I'm saying it as a person and not some ego driven idiot. Spend some time and really focus on what you want to do. If you eat clean, up the cals, do some cardio, lift hard and heavy, you'll accomplish what you want naturally. Having said that, you need to have a sound workout program.
 
mranak said:
It is:
  • your diet
  • your workout

Get a trainer. Not a local fuck. PM me and I'll get you a very good online trainer for a few hundred dollars. Money well spent.
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Agreed... I just spent a lot more time typing other stuff to go along with it. For his height, there's no reason at all he can't get to at least 190 naturally if he gets his diet and workout in order.
 
What do you guys suggest? I've been doing rippetoe's and 2400 caloric intake + 200g protein for three months.. what more can I do?
 
cap LOL you funny bastard i have to say it so dont be mad at me, Hard and Heavy that something you mastered on your Bow-Flex? LOL Sorry..
 
commanderfb22 said:
What do you guys suggest? I've been doing rippetoe's and 2400 caloric intake + 200g protein for three months.. what more can I do?
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I'm nowhere near as tall as you and I'm pushing close to 300g of protein a day and calories somewhere around 4500-5000 just guessing. Read and see if there are any workouts posted on here. Peace out bro. I gotta get some sleep.
 
rocko419 said:
cap LOL you funny bastard i have to say it so dont be mad at me, Hard and Heavy that something you mastered on your Bow-Flex? LOL Sorry..
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I don't only lift with that. I find it comical that some of you laugh at it and know nothing about it. It's no different than going to the gym and using cables for some exercises and you get the added resistance. To each his own. I know what kind of gains I'm making while using it and free weights and that's what matters. I'll make sure to send you a pic when I'm done with this cycle so you can see firsthand it's as effective as anything else if you do it right.
 
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Originally Posted by commanderfb22
160 lbs, 14% bodyfat, 5'10

Here's my cycle as of now:
1 30-40 mg/day (D-boll)
2 30-40 mg/day (D-boll)
3 30-40 mg/day (D-boll) 25-50 mg/day (Stromba)
4 30-40 mg/day (D-boll) 25-50 mg/day (Stromba) 5000 IU/week HCG
5 30-40 mg/day (D-boll) 25-50 mg/day (Stromba) 5000 IU/week HCG
6 30-40 mg/day (D-boll) 25-50 mg/day (stromba) 30-40 mg/day (Anavar)5000 IU/week HCG
7 25-50 mg every day (Stromba) 30-40 mg/day (Anavar) 5000 IU/week HCG
8 25-50 mg every day (Stromba) 30-40 mg/day (Anavar)
9 40 mg/day Nolvadex 10 20 mg/day Nolvadex 11 20 mg/day Nolvadex I'll also be adding in some t3, as above all, I'd like to have a hard body. When should the t3 come in? How can I take extra precaution to ensure there is no rebound beside tapering on and off -- which I already plan on doing? Seeing as I want to gain mass (160 is a bit light), but my main priority is to get cut, do you guys have any suggestions?




this is vary stupidly put together and unhealthy ok: 1) stromba is VARY harsh on liver lipids, joints and hair!! 2) 2 weeks of anavar is a compleat waste! 3) 5000 iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is STUPID and u could permanitly ruin your reap system/balls, only use 500-1000iu a week THATS IT!! 4) 6weeks of dbol is a lil much i wouldent go passed4 but it isnt to fuked.. man i almost thought this was a joke and dont get mad im flaming u others will too but i dont want u to hurt your self.. ok now most will say an all oral cycle isnt good and i myself dont think it is vary good BUT if u are going to do 1 u need to be kinder to yourself ..
now i dont think u should do an all oral but if u do atleast this will make some more sence and be a bit healthier.

wk 1-10 anavar 40mg a day +5-8g of creatine ed
wk1-11 ephedrin 10mgX2 a day=20mg +200mg caffienED "2weeks on 1 week off" post cycle therapy (pct) wk10-13nolva 20mg

thats is it! and u dont need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and u know wut 5000 iu even only for 2 weeks could fuk u up for good. yes anavar is alot of $$$
now wut i say u do is read soem more and so a cycle with the pin u are not wanting to use but its safter and only hurt for 1 sec>shoot it!
testE 400mg wk1-10 nolva wk130mg w2-4 20mg and it will cost u less.

i have Winstrol (winny) and am reluctent to use it because of sides.

ill tell u right now if u do wut u have posted i feel sorry for u. pls man dont do it.

ps, i dont know about t3 i wont use it i dont want to fuk with my thiroid just use ephedrin and caffien for added fat loss. mixing al thes orals are vary toxic to your liver and stromba and dbol are harsh buythemselves but to gether is just not good. im trying not to be mean but if u have read and lernd wut u need to know u wouldent be thinking of this so even if u feel u know wut u are doing u dont and if u think im a know it all. u will see EVERY 1 ELS that is gona respond to u is going to tell u the same kind of thing . so step back keep an open mind and listin.. also this is your first cycle right????
 
test 250mg wk1-13
deca 200mg wk1-12
stromba50mged wk11-16 post cycle therapy (pct) wk16-20 nolva 30/20/20/20
hcg 250iu x2 a week last 5 weeks to right befor post cycle therapy (pct)
is much sainer i dont care if u bought it already buy more and wut u need and do it right and eventually u will use wut u have any way just dont use it cuzz u have it any way.

ps. i think u should bulk andthen next cycle cut. u arnt vary big and i know u dont liek to hear that nether DID I. im only 5 '7 182 and i eat 3500-4000cal bulking u need more to grow dud. and 300g of protien ED

i hope u do the right thing.
 
I guess I'll do the test for my first cycle, but that'll come after I bulk without gear, as that is what everyone is telling me to do. But for now...

Does anyone have suggestions for diet and/or workout regimen based on my size and what I have already done?
 
im happy u are listning!!!

dont work out every day only work out 3-4 days a week and have a break inbetween so kinda work out eod. and a diff bodypart eg

mon- bicept and tricept 40min
wed- chest/lats 40min
fri- shoulders/traps/abs 45min
sun-legs ?
"if u can do more then 11reps at a time u need to add weght, if u cant do more then 5 take a bit off" u should stay between there
20min cardio ON work out days

and make sher u rest on the inbetween days and make sher u eat alot and alot of protine and have a sugary drink RIGHT after work out.before u eat or have your protinedrink you dont grow when your working out u grow when your resting .. kinda like 25%workout 60%diet/rest a 15%genetics= are u going to grow well. just wut i think anyway.
ps add creatine at 5g ed it may help you a bit.
 
Wanna get big and strong? Two words: SQUATS, DEADLIFTS. You keep a decent diet and that'll put at least 15 lbs of solid muscle on you without gear.
 
For the Past 3 Months I've been doing rippetoe's which has consisted of:

M:
Squats 3 Sets of 5
Deadlifts: 1 Set of 5
Bench 3 Sets of 5
Dips: 2x18
Weighted Abs: 3 Sets of 10

W:
Squats: 3 Sets of 5
Incline Dumbell Press: 3 Sets of 5
Rows: 3 Sets of 5
Chinups: 2x8
Weighted Abs: 3 Sets of 10

F:
Squats 3 Sets of 5
Deadlifts: 1 Set of 5
Bench 3 Sets of 5
Tricep Extensions: 3 Sets of 12
Bicep Curls: 2 Sets of 10

My Bench after these three months has moved up from 155 5 times to 5 Reps of 175 per set.
My squat has moved up to 5 Sets of 205 up from 145.
My Deadlift has moved up to 5 sets of 215 up from 145.

I was intaking about 2800 Calories/200g Protein/Daily, except these last couple weeks when my diet has gone to shit.

I have moved up in weight from 145-to about 153, probably still around 14% bodyfat. My proportions look the same. I'm around 5'10-5'11, 19. I literally haven't grown in height since the 8th-9th grade. I figure I'm done growing.

However, I haven't seen any noticeable effects aesthetically. Also, I haven't been able to move up in my bench, or squat since then. I just wanted to know what to do now, my reason for buying gear. I see that wasn't the way to go, but could anyone help me figure out what to do now? With my diet? With my workout?
 
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Woah...wait a second... you are only 19? Bro, IMO you need to wait a few years for gear FOR SURE! As for the workout program you are doing.... I don't think it's enough at all. Only 3 sets of 5 on the bench? I do probably 4-5 sets with 8 reps of about 5 diff chest exercises. That's just chest. You definitely need to tweak your workout regiman if you want to yield better results.
 
I'm very disappointed that some of you have recommended steroid cycles to commanderfb22 at this time. That's beyond ridiculous.

commanderfb22 needs assistance with lifting and diet.

commanderfb22: don't worry about leaning down when you are 153 pounds. Trust me, it is a lot easier to lean out when you are 200 pounds strong. I'm not dissing you. I used to be 150 pounds and dieting. Now I look back and realize how stupid that was.

Once I learned to EAT and LIFT I felt and looked better. That online trainer that I recommended to you is that same guy that I used; I highly recommend him ... I guarantee you will get better long-term gains and strength and looks from him than you will from cycling gear right now.
 
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