Anybody who cycled early? 18 years old here!

OP
Sorry to take so long to answer your q s.

I regret having done dbol cycle s from 18-21 as I blew up and pissed down..it was like a roller coaster.
I regret staying on from 22-27 basically 75 percent of the time because of the mood swings that developed, the joint damage I did,,,,


exampleday on my 25 th b day running a gram of this and a gram of that with a handful of those ed, I...
Benched 225- 26 times
Squatted 405 x 16
deadlifted 405 13 times

Weighing 205- 210..now that s NFL linebacker numbers and I am small jointed person who weighed 160-170 ish walking to get my high-school diploma.
I HAD bunches of pwerlifting trophies and medals, a couple 1 st place bbding trophies and a host of 2, 3 5 th .

Now I can t shit w o wincing due to my hip s pain, can t wipe my ass comfortably as my left delt is pinned.
I have 2 huge lump s of scar tissue on my upper glutes from harpooning myself for years w 18 gauge 1.5 inch needles etc.

Slow down..you got your whole life. The dramatic strength gain s will, in the end wear out your connective tissue s and cartilage and meniscus which I have none in my knee s.
 
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I did not read this! Lol
I dont think younger kids 'Test levels being high' is the real issue of why they shouldnt start messing around with hormones, because theyre test levels might not be high, in fact they may even be hypogonadal at that age. The real issue is the fact that ones edocrine system isnt fully developed and stunting growth of it can cause permanent physical damage AND mental damage down the road. Here is an article, not written by me, on the ensocrine system and the vital role it plays in our body......

Although we rarely think about them, the glands of the endocrine system and the hormones they release influence almost every cell, organ, and function of our bodies. The endocrine system is instrumental in regulating mood, growth and development, tissue function, and metabolism, as well as sexual function and reproductive processes.

In general, the endocrine system is in charge of body processes that happen slowly, such as cell growth. Faster processes like breathing and body movement are controlled by the nervous system. But even though the nervous system and endocrine system are separate systems, they often work together to help the body function properly.

About the Endocrine System

The foundations of the endocrine system are the hormones and glands. As the body's chemical messengers, hormones transfer information and instructions from one set of cells to another. Although many different hormones circulate throughout the bloodstream, each one affects only the cells that are genetically programmed to receive and respond to its message. Hormone levels can be influenced by factors such as stress, infection, and changes in the balance of fluid and minerals in blood.

A gland is a group of cells that produces and secretes, or gives off, chemicals. A gland selects and removes materials from the blood, processes them, and secretes the finished chemical product for use somewhere in the body.

Some types of glands release their secretions in specific areas. For instance, exocrine glands, such as the sweat and salivary glands, release secretions in the skin or inside of the mouth. Endocrine glands, on the other hand, release more than 20 major hormones directly into the bloodstream where they can be transported to cells in other parts of the body.

Parts of the Endocrine System

The major glands that make up the human endocrine system are the hypothalamus, pituitary, thyroid, parathyroids, adrenals, pineal body, and the reproductive glands, which include the ovaries and testes. The pancreas is also part of this hormone-secreting system, even though it is also associated with the digestive system because it also produces and secretes digestive enzymes.

Although the endocrine glands are the body's main hormone producers, some non-endocrine organs ***8212; such as the brain, heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, thymus, skin, and placenta ***8212; also produce and release hormones.

The Hypothalamus

The hypothalamus, a collection of specialized cells that is located in the lower central part of the brain, is the primary link between the endocrine and nervous systems. Nerve cells in the hypothalamus control the pituitary gland by producing chemicals that either stimulate or suppress hormone secretions from the pituitary.

Although it is no bigger than a pea, the pituitary gland, located at the base of the brain just beneath the hypothalamus, is considered the most important part of the endocrine system. It's often called the "master gland" because it makes hormones that control several other endocrine glands.

The production and secretion of pituitary hormones can be influenced by factors such as emotions and seasonal changes. To accomplish this, the hypothalamus relays information sensed by the brain (such as environmental temperature, light exposure patterns, and feelings) to the pituitary.

The Pituitary Gland

The tiny pituitary gland is divided into two parts: the anterior lobe and the posterior lobe. The anterior lobe regulates the activity of the thyroid, adrenals, and reproductive glands. Among the hormones it produces are:

growth hormone, which stimulates the growth of bone and other body tissues and plays a role in the body's handling of nutrients and mineralsprolactin, which activates milk production in women who are breastfeedingthyrotropin, which stimulates the thyroid gland to produce thyroid hormonescorticotropin, which stimulates the adrenal gland to produce certain hormones

The pituitary also secretes endorphins, chemicals that act on the nervous system to reduce sensitivity to pain. In addition, the pituitary secretes hormones that signal the ovaries and testes to make sex hormones. The pituitary gland also controls ovulation and the menstrual cycle in women.

The posterior lobe of the pituitary releases antidiuretic hormone, which helps control body water balance through its effect on the kidneys and urine output; and oxytocin, which triggers the contractions of the uterus that occur during labor.

The Thyroid and Parathyroids

The thyroid, located in the front part of the lower neck, is shaped like a bow tie or butterfly and produces the thyroid hormones thyroxine and triiodothyronine. These hormones control the rate at which cells burn fuels from food to produce energy. As the level of thyroid hormones increases in the bloodstream, so does the speed at which chemical reactions occur in the body.

Thyroid hormones also play a key role in bone growth and the development of the brain and nervous system in children. The production and release of thyroid hormones is controlled by thyrotropin, which is secreted by the pituitary gland.

Attached to the thyroid are four tiny glands that function together called the parathyroids. They release parathyroid hormone, which regulates the level of calcium in the blood with the help of calcitonin, which is produced in the thyroid.

The Adrenal Glands

The body has two triangular adrenal glands, one on top of each kidney. The adrenal glands have two parts, each of which produces a set of hormones and has a different function. The outer part, the adrenal cortex, produces hormones called corticosteroids that influence or regulate salt and water balance in the body, the body's response to stress, metabolism, the immune system, and sexual development and function.

The inner part, the adrenal medulla, produces catecholamines, such as epinephrine. Also called adrenaline, epinephrine increases blood pressure and heart rate when the body experiences stress. (Epinephrine injections are often used to counteract a severe allergic reaction.)

The Pineal Gland and Gonads

The pineal body, also called the pineal gland, is located in the middle of the brain. It secretes melatonin, a hormone that may help regulate the wake-sleep cycle.

The gonads are the main source of sex hormones. In males, they are located in the scrotum. Male gonads, or testes, secrete hormones called androgens, the most important of which is testosterone. These hormones regulate body changes associated with sexual development, including enlargement of the penis, the growth spurt that occurs during puberty, and the appearance of other male secondary sex characteristics such as deepening of the voice, growth of facial and pubic hair, and the increase in muscle growth and strength. Working with hormones from the pituitary gland, testosterone also supports the production of sperm by the testes.

The female gonads, the ovaries, are located in the pelvis. They produce eggs and secrete the female hormones estrogen and progesterone. Estrogen is involved in the development of female sexual features such as breast growth, the accumulation of body fat around the hips and thighs, and the growth spurt that occurs during puberty. Both estrogen and progesterone are also involved in pregnancy and the regulation of the menstrual cycle.

The Pancreas

The pancreas produces (in addition to others) two important hormones, insulin and glucagon. They work together to maintain a steady level of glucose, or sugar, in the blood and to keep the body supplied with fuel to produce and maintain stores of energy.

What the Endocrine System Does

Once a hormone is secreted, it travels from the endocrine gland through the bloodstream to target cells designed to receive its message. Along the way to the target cells, special proteins bind to some of the hormones. The special proteins act as carriers that control the amount of hormone that is available to interact with and affect the target cells.

Also, the target cells have receptors that latch onto only specific hormones, and each hormone has its own receptor, so that each hormone will communicate only with specific target cells that possess receptors for that hormone. When the hormone reaches its target cell, it locks onto the cell's specific receptors and these hormone-receptor combinations transmit chemical instructions to the inner workings of the cell.

When hormone levels reach a certain normal or necessary amount, further secretion is controlled by important body mechanisms to maintain that level of hormone in the blood. This regulation of hormone secretion may involve the hormone itself or another substance in the blood related to the hormone.

For example, if the thyroid gland has secreted adequate amounts of thyroid hormones into the blood, the pituitary gland senses the normal levels of thyroid hormone in the bloodstream and adjusts its release of thyrotropin, the pituitary hormone that stimulates the thyroid gland to produce thyroid hormones.

Another example is parathyroid hormone, which increases the level of calcium in the blood. When the blood calcium level rises, the parathyroid glands sense the change and decrease their secretion of parathyroid hormone. This turnoff process is called a negative feedback system.

Problems With the Endocrine System

Too much or too little of any hormone can be harmful to the body. For example, if the pituitary gland produces too much growth hormone, a child may grow excessively tall. If it produces too little, a child may be abnormally short.

Controlling the production of or replacing specific hormones can treat many endocrine disorders in children and adolescents, some of which include:

Adrenal insufficiency.*This condition is characterized by decreased function of the adrenal cortex and the consequent underproduction of adrenal corticosteroid hormones. The symptoms of adrenal insufficiency may include weakness, fatigue, abdominal pain, nausea, dehydration, and skin changes. Doctors treat adrenal insufficiency by giving replacement corticosteroid hormones.

Cushing syndrome.*Excessive amounts of glucocorticoid hormones in the body can lead to Cushing syndrome. In children, it most often results when a child takes large doses of synthetic corticosteroid drugs (such as prednisone) to treat autoimmune diseases such as lupus. If the condition is due to a tumor in the pituitary gland that produces excessive amounts of corticotropin and stimulates the adrenals to overproduce corticosteroids, it's known as Cushing disease.

Symptoms may take years to develop and include obesity, growth failure, muscle weakness, easy bruising of the skin, acne, high blood pressure, and psychological changes. Depending on the specific cause, doctors may treat this condition with surgery, radiation therapy, chemotherapy, or drugs that block the production of hormones.

Type 1*diabetes.*When the pancreas fails to produce enough insulin, type 1 diabetes (previously known as juvenile diabetes) occurs. Symptoms include excessive thirst, hunger, urination, and weight loss. In children and teens, the condition is usually an autoimmune disorder in which specific immune system cells and antibodies produced by the immune system attack and destroy the cells of the pancreas that produce insulin.

Type 1 diabetes can cause long-term complications, including kidney problems, nerve damage, blindness, and early coronary heart disease and stroke. To control their blood sugar levels and reduce the risk of developing diabetes complications, kids need regular injections of insulin.

Type 2 diabetes.*Unlike type 1 diabetes, in which the body can't produce normal amounts of insulin, in type 2 diabetes the body is unable to respond to insulin normally. Children and teens with this condition tend to be overweight, and it is believed that excess body fat plays a role in the insulin resistance that characterizes the disease. In fact, the rising prevalence of this type of diabetes in kids has paralleled the dramatically increasing rates of obesity among kids in recent years.

The symptoms and possible complications of type 2 diabetes are basically the same as those of type 1. Some kids and teens can control their blood sugar level with dietary changes, exercise, and oral medications, but many will need to take insulin injections like those with type 1 diabetes.

Growth hormone problems.*Too much growth hormone in children who are still growing will make their bones and other body parts grow excessively, resulting in gigantism. This rare condition is usually caused by a pituitary tumor and can be treated by removing the tumor.

In contrast, when the pituitary gland fails to produce adequate amounts of growth hormone, a child's growth in height is impaired. Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) may also occur in kids with growth hormone deficiency, particularly in infants and young children with the condition.

Hyperthyroidism.*Hyperthyroidism is a condition in which the levels of thyroid hormones in the blood are excessively high. Symptoms may include weight loss, nervousness, tremors, excessive sweating, increased heart rate and blood pressure, protruding eyes, and a swelling in the neck from an enlarged thyroid gland (goiter).

In kids this is usually caused by Graves' disease, an autoimmune disorder in which specific antibodies produced by the immune system stimulate the thyroid gland to become overactive. The disease may be controlled with medications or by removal or destruction of the thyroid gland through surgery or radiation treatments.

Hypothyroidism.*Hypothyroidism is when the levels of thyroid hormones in the blood are abnormally low. Thyroid hormone deficiency slows body processes and may lead to fatigue, a slow heart rate, dry skin, weight gain, constipation, and, in kids, slowing of growth and delayed puberty.

Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which results from an autoimmune process that damages the thyroid and blocks thyroid hormone production, is the most common cause of hypothyroidism in kids. Infants can also be born with an absent or underdeveloped thyroid gland, resulting in hypothyroidism. It can be treated with oral thyroid hormone replacement.

Precocious puberty*Body changes associated with puberty may occur at an abnormally young age in some kids if the pituitary hormones that stimulate the gonads to produce sex hormones rise prematurely. An injectable medication is available that can suppress the secretion of these pituitary hormones (known as gonadotropins) and arrest the progression of sexual development in most of these children.
 
I just don't understand why everyone tells the younger generation to stay away from AAS. It really must be because of the lack of education on them.

I know you guys always say "ur test is super high", "Fix ur diet", but in true reality it's not that high.. and even so its only declining anyways. So I don't see if most people are going to need TRT in the future for declining test levels, why not put up with it a little extra in the younger years and see killer results? I feel like I'm the only one with a possible stance on the typical opposite scale about AAS..?

I second that. I'm 45 and have been on and off AAS since 1988. I recently within the past 2 years moved From Cali to Texas and didn't know where to get any AAS. So I went to the ageless male clinic and got my blood test to see if I qualify. This is after over a year of not using any AAS or anything like it for that matter. Crappy diet too at the time I was eating frozen practically everything like pizza and pot pies. No dice they called me on the phone and said good news you don't need trt. Moreover back in those days there was no AI's to speak of at least no one in my circle. No pct to speak of either. It was just go to tiajuana get deca or testosterona go by what the pharmacist recommended go home and run it. I ran short 6 week cycles with great gains. Not so great that I was twice as huge one day and half that size another because I sat there and used the AAS for 12 weeks and it got me so big that when I got back to no AAS size it was embarrasing. A lot of people on this site shoot me down because im from the old school of AAS back in the days when it was simple and easy unlike solving the rubiks cube it was just run a low to moderate short 6 week cycle get off it shrink a little wait 6 weeks and start another. Im still in the gym running short cycles. Ive been told on here oh thats too short and low of a dose 250mg sust 6 weeks to get anything accomplished but a shut down <------Bollox. Ive done it many many times. Everytime I do it I get epic results. So go ahead and try to get super huge on one cycle and then try like the dickins to keep some of it. I have and always will enjoy my little 6 weeks of glory at a time No sides quik recovery and still enjoy the gym off cycle.
 
I just don't understand why everyone tells the younger generation to stay away from AAS. It really must be because of the lack of education on them.

I know you guys always say "ur test is super high", "Fix ur diet", but in true reality it's not that high.. and even so its only declining anyways. So I don't see if most people are going to need TRT in the future for declining test levels, why not put up with it a little extra in the younger years and see killer results? I feel like I'm the only one with a possible stance on the typical opposite scale about AAS..?

I second that. I'm 45 and have been on and off AAS since 1988. I recently within the past 2 years moved From Cali to Texas and didn't know where to get any AAS. So I went to the ageless male clinic and got my blood test to see if I qualify. This is after over a year of not using any AAS or anything like it for that matter. Crappy diet too at the time I was eating frozen practically everything like pizza and pot pies. No dice they called me on the phone and said good news you don't need trt. Moreover back in those days there was no AI's to speak of at least no one in my circle. No pct to speak of either. It was just go to tiajuana get deca or testosterona go by what the pharmacist recommended go home and run it. I ran short 6 week cycles with great gains. Not so great that I was twice as huge one day and half that size another because I sat there and used the AAS for 12 weeks and it got me so big that when I got back to no AAS size it was embarrasing. A lot of people on this site shoot me down because im from the old school of AAS back in the days when it was simple and easy unlike solving the rubiks cube it was just run a low to moderate short 6 week cycle get off it shrink a little wait 6 weeks and start another. Im still in the gym running short cycles. Ive been told on here oh thats too short and low of a dose 250mg sust 6 weeks to get anything accomplished but a shut down <------Bollox. Ive done it many many times. Everytime I do it I get epic results. So go ahead and try to get super huge on one cycle and then try like the dickins to keep some of it. I have and always will enjoy my little 6 weeks of glory at a time No sides quik recovery and still enjoy the gym off cycle.
 
Too many idiots named mike on the thread. The truth is the probability of pernently damaging your endocrin system is very high. It s not worth a life feeling like crap. Looking good is not worth it. If I could have the natural test of an 18 year old again.
 
I did it at 20...I'm on TRT for life now.


I know it probably sucked but.... I think a lot of us would love to hear the doc say "how do you feel about going on trt for life?"

I be like

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that said I 100% agree that your test levels are probably so high right now you are nowhere near your potential. I have a younger cousin about 17 who looks like a fuggin physique model and barely lifts. I told him he's basically running around like he's on a conservative cycle just by existing and should hit it harder to see what he can do, but... he seems to be a bit too young and "busy" to get determined...
 
Being on trt because you have to isn't what you guys think it is. Getting everything balanced properly is very tough. Most docs won't prescribe HCG and that is a big problem or they don't prescribe and ai.
 
Being on trt because you have to isn't what you guys think it is. Getting everything balanced properly is very tough. Most docs won't prescribe HCG and that is a big problem or they don't prescribe and ai.

Truth.

It's one thing to pin because you WANT to, and a completely different thing when you HAVE to.
 
is there actually any studies/evidence that cycling at 18 will mess up your endorcine system anymore than at 25? If so please post, because i haven't been able to find any.
 
Too many idiots named mike on the thread. The truth is the probability of pernently damaging your endocrin system is very high. It s not worth a life feeling like crap. Looking good is not worth it. If I could have the natural test of an 18 year old again.

That's not a good enough rebutle......just calling us idiots and saying it might do something. Where did you find the study saying out of this or that many youths under the age of 2O that used AAS are all fucked up now. Where is the proof because I know a lot of guys that were on AAS from back in the day and they're not all fucked up from running syntheticversions of testosterones.
 
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Too many idiots named mike on the thread. The truth is the probability of pernently damaging your endocrin system is very high. It s not worth a life feeling like crap. Looking good is not worth it. If I could have the natural test of an 18 year old again.

That's not a good enough rebutle......just calling us idiots and saying it might do something. Where did you find the study saying out of this or that many youths under the age of 2O that used AAS are all fucked up now. Where is the proof because I know a lot of guys that were on AAS from back in the day and they're not all fucked up from running syntheticversions of testosterones
 
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I've been on TRT since when I was younger than you OP, Im 27 now.
I would pay millions to be a normal guy who doesnt need to pin his ass every week for his whole life, I would give anything I have.
Are you really sure you want to risk living like me for the rest of your days just to look more muscular at 18?
Eat well, train well, you can keep growing naturally, you can keep improving, then you can jump on the juice when you'll be old enough.
My 2 cents.
 
I've been on TRT since when I was younger than you OP, Im 27 now.
I would pay millions to be a normal guy who doesnt need to pin his ass every week for his whole life, I would give anything I have.
Are you really sure you want to risk living like me for the rest of your days just to look more muscular at 18?
Eat well, train well, you can keep growing naturally, you can keep improving, then you can jump on the juice when you'll be old enough.
My 2 cents.
 
At my age now my definition of Wisdom is "knowledge combined with experience"... discernment, it's your choice.

So when at 18-20 years old I may have a lot of knowledge but experience, well I'll let you young bucks decide how much ya got at that age.

You should listen to the one's that have been there and done that for so many years before some of you were even born. :dunno:
 
That's not a good enough rebutle......just calling us idiots and saying it might do something. Where did you find the study saying out of this or that many youths under the age of 2O that used AAS are all fucked up now. Where is the proof because I know a lot of guys that were on AAS from back in the day and they're not all fucked up from running syntheticversions of testosterones.

The proof is in a couple of posts in this very thread.
 
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