Aromasin vs ATD pills

[atomknight]

I can't help but notice the atd pills are bookoo cheap compared to aromasin from a research outfit.
anybody recommend one way or the other for cost effectiveness.

 

[Strega]

Sugar pills are cheap too.

There really is no way to know what you are asking unless you try them. If the oral ATD works, you have your answer.

 

[atomknight]

Sugar pills are cheap too.

There really is no way to know what you are asking unless you try them. If the oral ATD works, you have your answer.

there is no way to know what you are answering unless YOU have try them.
so if you haven't,,, then go do some sugar pills
its a really simple question, so if you don't know the answer, then don't try to make others look stupid.

 

[JayC]

Real ATD is a solid AI... it's similar to aromasin but costs far less. No sure on the tabs because I heard that the bioavailability of oral ATD is very low. If you want a to try a trusted ATD product, go w/AF Stores AIFM bro. It's in a topical spray so your getting the route that works best... Plus their a stand up company. All strega was saying is beware, some of these companies are crap. AF is good to go though.

 

[Strega]

Thanks JayC, I now know that at least one person on this board understands what i write.

 

[atomknight]

Real ATD is a solid AI... it's similar to aromasin but costs far less. No sure on the tabs because I heard that the bioavailability of oral ATD is very low. If you want a to try a trusted ATD product, go w/AF Stores AIFM bro. It's in a topical spray so your getting the route that works best... Plus their a stand up company. All strega was saying is beware, some of these companies are crap. AF is good to go though.

ya thanks JC
I'm going to order Androstenetrione in a bulk powder form.
[5 grams for 15 bucks]
since there isn't any feed back on this I'll post my findings.
I just couldn't see spending 75 clams a month for aromasin and AIFM is about the same,,ya i know,, I'm a cheap skate.
I wish strega would have just said that.

 

[JayC]

ya thanks JC
I'm going to order Androstenetrione in a bulk powder form.
[5 grams for 15 bucks]
since there isn't any feed back on this I'll post my findings.
I just couldn't see spending 75 clams a month for aromasin and AIFM is about the same,,ya i know,, I'm a cheap skate.
I wish strega would have just said that.

I don't blame you.. that much money can add up. That's one of the few negatives of a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI), high dollar!!

 

[macro]

AIFM is 39$ and unless you have serious aromatase issues that will last you about 2 months.

Aromasin is about 80$ for 2 months.

androstenetrione is 6-oxo, which itself is converted to estrone. Not particularly a good aromatase inhibitor (also not particularly orally bioavailable and having the same half life issues as oral atd).

trying to cut corners on your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is never really a good choice. JMHO

 

[atomknight]

AIFM is 39$ and unless you have serious aromatase issues that will last you about 2 months.

Aromasin is about 80$ for 2 months.

androstenetrione is 6-oxo, which itself is converted to estrone. Not particularly a good aromatase inhibitor (also not particularly orally bioavailable and having the same half life issues as oral atd).

trying to cut corners on your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is never really a good choice. JMHO

YA I 'm sure your right about cutting corners.
my bottle of aromasin cost 75 plus shipping etc. lasted 6 weeks . 3 pumps a day for HRT.
unless I can get AIFM some were besides AF that's out.
The non bias studies I have read on ATD look good.
guess I'll be the ginny pig here.
Thanks Marco, always good to get your input on these matters.
btw,,what are the half life issues on oral ATD?

 

[atomknight]

androstenetrione is 6-oxo, which itself is converted to estrone.???

Yet androstenetrione is the main ingerednt in AIFM.
so your saying as long as androstenetrione is absoreb through the skin it will not convert to estrone?
is this really a non-bias statement?

the AF store states:
AIFM uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor, that is better suited for men than the most commonly used AI’s like arimidex and letrozole which were designed for women.
Ingredients:
Base: Propylene glycol, Pure Grain Alcohol, Orange oil, Oleic Acid, Glycerol Actives: ATD (1,4,6 androstatriene-3,17-dione), DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone)

SO far the ATD oral powder has performed well. it seems it has doubled the affect of test. E. in my body. thus also being cost effective lowering the need for higher doses of test. SO FAR.
I'm just asking,, don't want you to think I'm given ya shit cuz I'm not.

 

[macro]

androstenetrione is 6-oxo, which itself is converted to estrone.???

Yet androstenetrione is the main ingerednt in AIFM.
so your saying as long as androstenetrione is absoreb through the skin it will not convert to estrone?
is this really a non-bias statement?

they are completely different compounds. Just because the both have androstene backbones does not really make them that similar.

that is is a bit like saying that EQ is Testosterone or nandrolone is EQ.

its not biased. there are other steroidal aromatase inhibitors than these, all with their pluses and minuses. ATD is very different activity and metabolite wise from 6-oxo. (though they have similar oral bioavailability and half life). equally reccomend against using either of them orally for those reasons, additionally have issues with 6-oxo, because of the estrone metabolite.

 

[atomknight]

androstenetrione is 6-oxo, which itself is converted to estrone. Not particularly a good aromatase inhibitor

Are you saying then that androstenetrione is not ATD and AIFM is not made with ATD .

 

[atomknight]

Or are you saying that AIFM is using a modified form of ATD, even though they still state that ATD is the main ingredient in AIFM?
got time for another Q?
what would the sides of estrone be? that one should look for?

 

[macro]

Are you saying then that androstenetrione is not ATD and AIFM is not made with ATD .

androstenetrione is NOT ATD
AIFM does contain ATD
androstenetrione is 6-oxo

 

[macro]

atd is 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione
6oxo is 3,6,17- androstenetrione

 

[bigpapabuff]

go with the aromasin. More expensive but the quality is much better.

 

[atomknight]

androstenetrione is NOT ATD
AIFM does contain ATD
androstenetrione is 6-oxo

OH, oh, oh. Yep yer right marco.. and here's the skinny:

ATD [androsta-1,4,6-triene-3,17-dione]
ATD is a potent anti-aromatase that binds to the actual site of the aromatase enzyme and deactivates it.


Androstenetrione Powder also known as androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione and 3,6,17-androstenetrione binds to the aromatase enzyme permanently, deactivating the enzyme.

so yer saying the ATD although not as good as aifm is works better than androstenetrione ?
Man I really screwed that one up. I sure glad your on this board thanks again!

 

[macro]

so yer saying the ATD although not as good as aifm is works better than androstenetrione ?
Man I really screwed that one up. I sure glad your on this board thanks again!

basically. Though niether is particularly (atd or androstenetrione) suitable orally, due to half life and bioavailability variance. androstenetrione also appears to have estrogenic metabolites, though the data on that is not conclusive.

 

[atomknight]

Well using the androstenetrione Powder even though its called the "suicide AI" Can't say as it did much, perhaps the worst bloat yet.
at 150 Mg's a week of test you wouldn't think I'dd get such bloat, though I'm sure age and genetics have a lot to do with it.
So far I have used Aromasin, letro, clomid, nolva, androstenetrione Powder and my prolactin numbers checked out.
Aromasin @ 2-7 pumps ed [can't remember the actual Mg's.] i grew some 1/2 moon disk's under nips
I would sure like to try AIFM next, yet at AF,, there customer service will not respond via the contact link.
What a bitch.
you make a great product like AIFM and there customer service is so bad I could not consider sending them money at this point.
dose any body else carry it,,, got some in your garage I can try ...lol

 

[atomknight]

also check this out:
Liquidex 30 ML 1 MG/ML 55$
Liquid 'stane 30 ML 25 MG/ML 80$ [Aromasin]
looks like you have to to consume 25 times more Liquidex @ 1mg/ml to get the same recomended dose for both which is .25mg to 1mg per day or .5mg to 1mg every other day.
thats what im seeing,,, but Ive been known to screw up ..