Best possible 1st cycle

[r073m263]

hey fellas,

I've been doing a ton of research and it seems everywhere you look there's different views on gear, so I thought I'd start this thread to find out you guys' opinions.

I'm 5'10" weighing around 175ish with about 7-8% body fat. I'm looking to gain size mostly. I'm a hard gainer so I doubt I'll put on much fat, but I'm looking more for the fitness model type look. Somewhat like Nick Auger. Not the Jay Cutler size big, although I'm not putting that down if that's what you want. Just not for me because I'm still doing sports and need to be able to be agile and elusive. I know diet is a huge factor and I've got my diet down pat. Taking in about 325-400g of protein a day. I can post specifics if I need to. I'm working out between 4 days a week. I was doing 5 but then I heard to workout less to get bigger so thought I'd give it a try.

So basically I'm wondering what is the best possible 1st cycle in your opinions? Please include PCT as well, and if you have any advice on what I should be doing differently let me know. All constructive criticism is welcome.

Thanks bros

 

[Teutonic]

Age ??
Nice opening post ..

 

[cyto33]

edit made due to proof of some fine work put into this on the effort of the OP

 

[r073m263]

Thanks Teutonic.
Btw I've checked out a lot of posts from you and it definitely shows that you know your stuff. Glad to get a response from you. And I'm 21. I know, young, because I'm already producing a lot of test. I don't think I'm ready to start gear yet, but I'd like to have my stuff completely figured out for when/if I decide to start. I've also had a bone scan done to make sure my growth plates have fused.

 

[Teutonic]

Bone scan..damn what s that cost ???
You need to research the following young grasshopper..all right here...
Beginners cycles..
Why test is a must..
And that test only for a 1 st run..why..
Aromatase inhibitor (AI) vs serms ..
PCT protocol s
So muc more man..
At your age your a walking hard on yet I understood your impatient.. but I ve found that when I work on something I get more satisfaction from my endeavers..
When you have a plan and a reasonable explanation of the compounds picked and why..we ll hook you up with OUR experiences...
have a good read.

 

[r073m263]

so you have done TONS of research.
you want this handed to you. its not going to happen. why come on and lie to us right away. We can tell from your post that you have done shit to help yourself and you say your spot on with your diet. we here that all the time as well bu ti turns out they use gear and say oh well maybe i got bunk gear when they are not eating right.
do some research on your own and then i we will be happy to help you fine tune something but i for one will not hand feed you.

I don't know where you come off thinking you can tell me what I have and haven't done. I HAVE done a TON of research. Almost a years worth of research on gear alone, and have been working out about 3 years.

I know a lot of people say only use Test on the first cycle but then it seems like every first cycle I look at shows them using D-bol to kick start it.

The cycle I was contemplating was:
Weeks 1-12: Test E - 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
Weeks 1-4: Dbol - 30mg (10mg 3x a day)
Weeks 1-4: Liquid Arimidex- 1mg/ day, Weeks 5-12: Liquid Arimidex- .5 mg/day,
Weeks 14-15: Liquid Arimidex- .25 mg/day
Weeks 16-17: Liquid Arimidex- .25 EOD
weeks 14-17: Nolvadex- 40, 30, 20, 20

My diet consists of:

Meal 1 :

* 50g Protein Shake
* 100g Of Oats (Complex Carbs)
* 10g Of Flaxseed Oil

Meal 2:

* 4-6 Scrambled Eggs
* 2 slices whole wheat toast
* 1 Bowl Of All Bran
* 1 Apple

Meal 3:

* Chicken Breast
* Large Portion Of Vegetables
* A Handful Of Prunes

Meal 4:

* Large Sweet Potato
* 2 Tins Of Tuna
* 2 Handfuls Of Almonds

Pre Workout:

* 20g Protein
* 5g Glutamine
* 50g Of Oats

Post Workout:

* 40g Whey Protein
* 5g Glutamine
* 40-60g Dextrose
* 25g Maltodextrin

Meal 6:

* Fish
* Green Beans
* A Handful Of Prunes

Before Bed:

* Cottage Cheese
* 1 Banana
* 40g CaseinProtein Shake
* 10g Flaxseed Oil

I try to get atleast 40G of protein/meal

and 2 gallons of water a day

That's about the best I can do on a med-school budget.


Training Routine:

Mon - Back, Traps, Abs
Pullups as warm-up- 3 x 20
Deadlift- warmup set, 4 x 6-8
DB Rows- 4 x 6-8
Lat Pulldowns- 4 x 6-8
Shrugs (DB and BB)- 3 x 8-10 of each
Upper abs- 6-9 x 12-15

Tues - Chest
Flat Bench- 2 warm-up sets, 4 x 6-8
Incline DB Press- 4 x 6-8
Seated Machine Press- 3 x 6-8
Cable Cross-overs- 3 x 8-10

Wed-Legs, abs
Squats- 2 warm-ups, 3 x 8-10
Leg extensions- 3 x 8-10
Leg Curls- 3 x 8-10
Leg Press- 3 x 8-10
Lower Abs- 6-9 x 12-15

Thurs-Off

Fri - Arms, Abs
Standing BB Curl- 4 x 6-8
Preacher Curl- 3 x 6-8
Hammer Curl- 3 x 6-8
Close Grip Bench- 3 x 6-8
Skull Crushers- 4 x 6-8
Overhead DB Extension or Pressdowns- 3 x 6-8
Obliques- 6-9 x 12-15

Sat- Shoulders
Rotator cuff rotations with 5lb for warm-up
DB Military Press- 1 warm-up, 3 x 6-8
Arnold Press- 3 x 6-8
Rear Delt Cable raises- 3 x 6-8
Side Lateral raises- 3 x 6-8

This is my workout for 5 days. I haven't yet switched to 4 days because I wanted some input.

Cyto-33, hope this at least proves I've did a little research.

 

[cyto33]

I will take back my statement. and at the same tim ethank you for doing the research that most claim they have done.
as for where i get off. well not to be to much of and asshole about it. seeing as how i am the president of the prick club.
no really this happens all the time and they can never back it up you on the other hand have done it and seems like a good effort was put into it.
just stick around and you will see this happen time and time again.
very nice work.

 

[r073m263]

Thanks, I appreciate it

 

[cyto33]

The cycle I was contemplating was:
Weeks 1-12: Test E - 500mg (250mg 2x a week)
Weeks 1-4: Dbol - 30mg (10mg 3x a day)
Weeks 1-4: Liquid Arimidex- 1mg/ day, Weeks 5-12: Liquid Arimidex- .5 mg/day,
Weeks 14-15: Liquid Arimidex- .25 mg/day
Weeks 16-17: Liquid Arimidex- .25 EOD
weeks 14-17: Nolvadex- 40, 30, 20, 20

if i may.
people do say yes orals no orals blah blah blah
with this cycle you have here it looks fine but i would extend to 5 weeks with the Dbol and take 40mg ed and also if your not gyno pron stay of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless you really need it
this is a good first cycle and looks like you are prepaired.

missed the pct
pct starts week 15-end of 19

 

[RJ]

I will take back my statement. and at the same tim ethank you for doing the research that most claim they have done.
as for where i get off. well not to be to much of and asshole about it. seeing as how i am the president of the prick club.
no really this happens all the time and they can never back it up you on the other hand have done it and seems like a good effort was put into it.
just stick around and you will see this happen time and time again.
very nice work.

haha

Damn, Cyto, everyone knows I'm an asshole, but even I was wondering what the hell this kid did to make you think he hasn't done any research. lol

btw, I believe he "research" ur ass with that last post.

 

[Teutonic]

It all looks acceptable except for your age..glad you say your gonna wait..
A lot of folks use dbol to kik start a cycle..but as a beginner you should..should..start with test..preferably test e only.
This wili allow you to see what side s will emerge and to what level.
D-bol is highly converted into estro..as is test..the side s from the two are very similiar..but to what extent which is doing what ... you won t know till you foray out into this and take your own notes..less variable s mean s better conclusions drawn from the data..ie your run.
That s why you do 1 at a time and add multiple compounds 1 at a time.
Cyto is just being the realist today dude..he too is in the know..we are inundated with schemers liars children..all who want what they want...now.

 

[cyto33]

haha

Damn, Cyto, everyone knows I'm an asshole, but even I was wondering what the hell this kid did to make you think he hasn't done any research. lol

btw, I believe he "research" ur ass with that last post.

hey when i'm wrong i'm wrong.
could have something to do with the bank bleeding 3500bucks out of my account last night.

 

[Teutonic]

Cyto,
We need too rob a casino,a bank ,an armored car.

 

[cyto33]

Cyto,
We need too rob a casino,a bank ,an armored car.

your telling me. you know the story behind my mood today.
to top it off they just said here at the office we need to get a move on if we are going to make the 6.2 million in sales this month.
suck me off they say they are giveing out 2% to every one last year and the office dont get none. and the french fucking retard pulls in with a brand new BMW and his lut of of GF he just bought her a brand new 5 milloin dollar home. but fuck lets not give the staff the raise that make sthe money for me.
Rant over. back to origanal post.
sorry

 

[Italiano SPO]

Bone scan..damn what s that cost ???
You need to research the following young grasshopper..all right here...
Beginners cycles..
Why test is a must..
And that test only for a 1 st run..why..
Aromatase inhibitor (AI) vs serms ..
PCT protocol s
So muc more man..
At your age your a walking hard on yet I understood your impatient.. but I ve found that when I work on something I get more satisfaction from my endeavers..
When you have a plan and a reasonable explanation of the compounds picked and why..we ll hook you up with OUR experiences...
have a good read.

Another champion post by the Teu man

 

[Polynikes666]

I would drop the dbol for your first cycle. Hows that for an original response.

Poly

 

[r073m263]

alright, thanks for the help guys.

so I should start at week 15 for post cycle therapy (pct)? I had just heard to start about 10 days after the last pin, but I'll change that. And as far as the arimidex, I'll just have it on hand in case gyno starts because I'm not sure if I'm prone to gyno or not. And if it does start how much should I take to prevent it? Also, do I need some HCG on hand in case the nuts start losing size?

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

alright, thanks for the help guys.

so I should start at week 15 for post cycle therapy (pct)? I had just heard to start about 10 days after the last pin, but I'll change that. And as far as the arimidex, I'll just have it on hand in case gyno starts because I'm not sure if I'm prone to gyno or not. And if it does start how much should I take to prevent it?

I commend you on the effort displayed in your accumulation of data pertaining to your first cycle. I have actually been avoiding the boards as late because the stupidity level pertaining to usage was pushing me towards aneurysm.

To answer your questions.

1.) PCT should commence 14 days after your last pin when dealing with longer esters such as enanthate.

2.) As for the use of AI's, opinions differ in this regard. SOme such as Italiano and myself advocate the usage of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during cycle to stave off underlying estrogen effects. Gynecomastia is often the side effects most users fear, however an increase in estrogen levels via aromatase converts testosterone into estrogen. Therefore you will not get the full effect of the testosterone due to conversion. In some this conversion is small. In others the conversion can be quite drastic.

Increased estrogen levels are also associated with water-weight resulting in hypertension. Of course these are only two examples you should do some more research to understand the other implications. In my humble opinion an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be used in every cycle. I recommend exemestane at 12.5mg ED.

3.) If you decide to abstain from the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or even if you intend to utilize your arimidex, you should purchase and retain letrozole. Letrozole can be tapered up to 2.5mg for treating gyno then tapered down. Usually a dosage of 1.25 should reduce estrogen levels sufficiently.

Good luck with your cycle.

 

[Teutonic]

^^^ But it is our sworn duty as mature people and gear heads to help steer these young bucks and bucket s in the right direction Mr. Humdiddly..I too grow oh so weary of the constant lack of effort put in by those who want to do these drugs...I need the karhma..

 

[r073m263]

Thanks Humdiddly, that helped a lot.
Don't worry Teutonic, I'm still going to hold off, as tempting as it is.
Is there anything you guys would change as far as my diet or training goes?