F350powerstroke
FNG
Next time, wear some shorts or briefs dude. What has been seen.....
But seriously get ur diet and rest in check.
But seriously get ur diet and rest in check.
Body shape like a womans or in my head? (PICS) HIGH E2/KLINEFELTERS?
- Thread starter CoolCat20
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Kristofer68ss
Squats and Deads S&M
anyone know what the thyroid panels mean?
good, bad, ugly?
good, bad, ugly?
Zeek
Community Veteran
Hi CoolCat
As of right now the best thing you can do to remedy your situation is to get with a nutritionist. You need serious changes to your diet. You are not ready for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or any AAS at this time. That can change within 6-8 months if you play your cards right.
Fix the diet and remedy bad habits first. Once you get to feeling better from improved nutrition you can start to work out the right way.
I want to see you succeed is the only reason for me stepping in here
Kristofer68ss
Squats and Deads S&M
Depends on the doctor actually.
He needs a good endo!
He needs a good endo!
I think you should go on an extreme low carb (Atkins Diet) and then take things from there. I lost 16 pounds in my first 2 weeks and have eaten low carb for almost 10 years now. Another poster is 3 weeks in and has lost 20-30lbs (can't remember as bit sick and btrain addled now). Your energy should shoot up within 4-5 days and make everything else alot easier. Even if you're skeptical, I can guarantee you that you have nothing to lose by at least trying Atkins for 2 weeks (e.g. the Induction period).
Alan
Alan
No offense, but it seems you are not accepting the answers given to you. Do you have your mind made up already that you have some disorder? The only thing wrong w/ any of your panels is that your e2 is high.. Probably because you have high bf%.. like someone else walker said, your body will change so fast at 19 w/ proper nutrition and exercise.. You have to try!! Forget the doctors and email 3J! I've fought depression my whole life and if I stay in my bed, it gets worse.. With or without TRT
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Honestly, I disagree with TR2838 and the rest of this thread. I mean stop shitting him, he defo looks like a women or at least like a transsexual. It might be that lifestyle contributes to obesity and obesity may contribute to low testosterone and low testosterone may foster obesity and feminization. However, he does not have low testosterone, his estrogene is not excessively high and its not only the amount of fat (which I think is not enough to cause hormonal issues) on his body but the type of distribution that distinguishs him from the rest. fat men with normal testosterone mostly still share a so called apple type of fat distribution. Im not confident that excessive training and healthy diet will change that distribution. He may only loose overall fat and this might hide this appearance a bit, but it wont change the distribution itself.
you might have a deficient response to testosterone which is genetical. In this case youre fucked because additional testo wont help you a bit.
you should try out antiestrogenes. However you should know that too much of ae may make you depressive either. in any case loosing overall fat (slowly!) may alleviate your problem as your fat distribution gets in the background.
just my 2 cents.
Honestly, I disagree with TR2838 and the rest of this thread. I mean stop shitting him, he defo looks like a women or at least like a transsexual. It might be that lifestyle contributes to obesity and obesity may contribute to low testosterone and low testosterone may foster obesity and feminization. However, he does not have low testosterone, his estrogene is not excessively high and its not only the amount of fat (which I think is not enough to cause hormonal issues) on his body but the type of distribution that distinguishs him from the rest. fat men with normal testosterone mostly still share a so called apple type of fat distribution. Im not confident that excessive training and healthy diet will change that distribution. He may only loose overall fat and this might hide this appearance a bit, but it wont change the distribution itself.
you might have a deficient response to testosterone which is genetical. In this case youre fucked because additional testo wont help you a bit.
you should try out antiestrogenes. However you should know that too much of ae may make you depressive either. in any case loosing overall fat (slowly!) may alleviate your problem as your fat distribution gets in the background.
just my 2 cents.
I read through the entire thread and I don't see anyone shittin on him.. He's gotten a lot of good advice.. I don't think you should be telling someone who is depressed with no other apparent deficiencies that he if "fucked"..
Cool Cat, you're not fucked! Don't listen to that!
When I feel depression start to sit in, I kicked it in overdrive.. I get up and sweep the floor, do dishes, put some good music on.. You need to keep your mind off feeling sorry for yourself or finding medical reasons why you are.. Sorry to say that, but, I feel a liberty to say it because I have first hand experience with depression..
Aschaihin is right in the fact that you dont want to overtrain.. But, you need to get up, move around, put the ipod on and get in the gym.. I hope you take this as someone trying to help you because, I am.. Make some new habits and STAY OUT OF BED TILL IT'S TIME TO SLEEP!! Never give up CoolCat!
senas23
New member
I have majority of these symptoms. I did some recent saliva and blood spot home kit panels. My E2 is shown normal. Like my doctor has informed me as well. The fatigue maybe associated with adrenal fatigue. I'm currently working on getting my dhea and vitamin d up, since it is real low.
Don't give up op and don't settle, It's not all in your head.
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that is what I mean with stop shitting him. He obviously has a deficiency or how many men do you know who look like this? you dont help people by spasmically trying to motivate them out of a reflex. you help your own conscience thats all. there are cases where depression is not caused by psychology but by organic dysfunctions (thyroid, sex hormones etc.). I know one thing: this body is not typically male, it looks like a transsexual and I would be depressed if I had this body, too. so stop trying to talk him into believing everything is normal, because a. its definetly not normal and b. hes not going to believe it anyway. help him to change this is my best guess. he can still accept the situation when there is no other solution.
Well and I can tell you from first hand experience that youre talking bs because if you had been really depressive once you wouldnt be able to do anything but lying in your bed pondering about the sense of life all day long. I never said give up. I said dont accept your situation and change. thats a difference bro.
that is what I mean with stop shitting him. He obviously has a deficiency or how many men do you know who look like this? you dont help people by spasmically trying to motivate them out of a reflex. you help your own conscience thats all. there are cases where depression is not caused by psychology but by organic dysfunctions (thyroid, sex hormones etc.). I know one thing: this body is not typically male, it looks like a transsexual and I would be depressed if I had this body, too. so stop trying to talk him into believing everything is normal, because a. its definetly not normal and b. hes not going to believe it anyway. help him to change this is my best guess. he can still accept the situation when there is no other solution.
Well and I can tell you from first hand experience that youre talking bs because if you had been really depressive once you wouldnt be able to do anything but lying in your bed pondering about the sense of life all day long. I never said give up. I said dont accept your situation and change. thats a difference bro.
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Maybe it would be better if you approach a university clinic doctor since androgene deficiencies are often symptoms of very rare illnesses so that a normal doctor might not know how to diagnose and a gynaecomastia at age 17 together with your outer shape is definetly a reason to elaborate on more profoundly.
Maybe it would be better if you approach a university clinic doctor since androgene deficiencies are often symptoms of very rare illnesses so that a normal doctor might not know how to diagnose and a gynaecomastia at age 17 together with your outer shape is definetly a reason to elaborate on more profoundly.
[/QUOTE=Well and I can tell you from first hand experience that youre talking bs because if you had been really depressive once you wouldnt be able to do anything but lying in your bed pondering about the sense of life all day long. I never said give up. I said dont accept your situation and change. thats a difference bro.[/QUOTE]
Let me get this straight... You come on this board and after getting a grand total of 6 post, you say that TR2838 and the rest of the board are wrong.. Then proceed to say that I'm talking BS when I state that I have always struggled w/ depression.. Because I have learned to utilize some simple coping skills?! You're a FUCKING ASSHOLE.. Take your expertise of body images and psychology somewhere else Troll
Let me get this straight... You come on this board and after getting a grand total of 6 post, you say that TR2838 and the rest of the board are wrong.. Then proceed to say that I'm talking BS when I state that I have always struggled w/ depression.. Because I have learned to utilize some simple coping skills?! You're a FUCKING ASSHOLE.. Take your expertise of body images and psychology somewhere else Troll
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MoparMuscle
Amateur Bodybuilder
His body looks fine. I have a buddy I workout with that looked about the same a year ago. He worked out but never correct, never consistent and never ate right. He was 250 and 6'2". After a year working out with me 4 days a week for 1.5 hrs a pop and following a good diet he's now 214lb with much more muscle and much stronger (he can deadlift 405lb a few reps). He still has a ways to go but he's getting there. He just commented to me today how much his sex drive has increased in the last year and how much more energy he has.
I am not saying the OP should not go see an endro, he should. A dr is the place for medical advice. I'm just saying you don't look that bad dude and it can be changed with lots and lots of time and effort.
I am not saying the OP should not go see an endro, he should. A dr is the place for medical advice. I'm just saying you don't look that bad dude and it can be changed with lots and lots of time and effort.
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As it turns out -
My thyroid is lacking
and i also have suspected ADRENAL problems based on a short synacthen test i had.
What annoys me is the doctor who sent me for the synacthen test had looked at these results and not even commented on them and discharged me as his patient. After doing a simple search on the NHS UK website it clearly states if cortisol is under 600 nmo/L after the synacthen injection, adrenal insufficiency is a large possibility! mine came back as 480.
My thyroid is lacking
and i also have suspected ADRENAL problems based on a short synacthen test i had.
What annoys me is the doctor who sent me for the synacthen test had looked at these results and not even commented on them and discharged me as his patient. After doing a simple search on the NHS UK website it clearly states if cortisol is under 600 nmo/L after the synacthen injection, adrenal insufficiency is a large possibility! mine came back as 480.
Im happy that you found out about your real problem and that you didnt listen to those morons who told you everything is normal which would have simply extended your suffering. I do not doubt that there is a biovariability within the shape of people. Nontheless it was obvious that there is sth. wrong with your body.
JuicyJuggalo
New member
I believe many cases are that the mother had been exposed to toxins that killed HER testosterone while she was pregnant causing femenization of male offspring. The only real difference between genders is the sperm chromosomes that order genetic balance of testosterone/estrogen. Naturally occurring high test, lower estrogen causes extra genital maturation in men, in cases of really low test males have under developed genitalia. Like wise in females, too high of test and low est causes enlarged clit almost like a small penis. Hence why males can grow titties with too high of estrogen. Androgynous females with tiny/non boobies are usually also rail-skinny and generally found to have lower ranged estrogen. Shapely women with nice boobs and butts usually have hi estrogen and are VERY moody and crack whore crazy when they're menstrual time comes or pregnancy because of high estrogen. Hi test OR estrogen is manageable, but hi both = INSANITY!! Most cases can be effectively corrected or improved with strict long term diet and training adherence which naturally fixes hormone balances
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