Bottom line on HCG

[Leviathan138]

Should HCG be ran throughout the course of the cycle as of week 3? or should it be taken at the very end in large doses?

Also sub-Q or IM?

which answer and how much? Thank you!

 

[RockG]

Should HCG be ran throughout the course of the cycle as of week 3? or should it be taken at the very end in large doses?

Also sub-Q or IM?

which answer and how much? Thank you!

Sub Q, and In my case since most of my cycles now just Test E. I only needed at the end. But everyones body is diffrent. My nutts come right back in a week or so.
I've gotten to the point that I know my body so well that I have lots of Ancilliarys on hand, Adex, Letro, Nova etc... HCG is something I always do at the end and all the other stuff I have on hand but only really use if needed.

HCG first Dose 500iu, and 250iu eod, I had used more than that before, but I found that dose to work just as well. I use for 2 weeks, and I can honestly say after a week my nuts return but I just stay with the program anyhow to finish.

 

[557mustang]

Sub q. I've used 500iu's twice a week at the end of my cycle and it worked wonders. This stuff is very potent, so I will be using a lower dose next time.

 

[buck longhorn]

if you want, I think StoneColdNTO posted a pretty informative thread on hcg and when and how much should be used. from what I recall you're doing a test cycle with prop then switching to cyp at pretty modest doses. I'd say run the hcg at a mild dose after your cycle to kick start your endogenous testosterone. unless specified, hcg is sub q normally. my proferti-c I recently took specified IM. you said u had organon so get some insulin pins and go sub q.

 

[Leviathan138]

if you want, I think StoneColdNTO posted a pretty informative thread on hcg and when and how much should be used. from what I recall you're doing a test cycle with prop then switching to cyp at pretty modest doses. I'd say run the hcg at a mild dose after your cycle to kick start your endogenous testosterone. unless specified, hcg is sub q normally. my proferti-c I recently took specified IM. you said u had organon so get some insulin pins and go sub q.

Thanks man for the help, but Im actually gonna run prop 525mg a W (12 weeks) Eq 600mg a W (10 weeks) and Var at 60mg for 4-6 weeks.

Some people were strongly advocating not to use HCG during post cycle therapy (pct) and that I should be doing it as of week 3 throughout cycle. I got 6 5000iu amps and all the bac water and vials i need. I was told that by taking 1000iu immediatly as of week 3 and then taking 350iu every 3 days till start of PCT.

I was told running HCG during cycle will keep my balls from shrinking and it is better for my body then dumping a lot of HCG at once in my body post cycle therapy (pct) time to inflate small nuts.

Whats best? thanks for the help

 

[buck longhorn]

no problem. sounds like you got a good cycle lined up. it's true that it's better to not get shutdown than try to start your nuts back up. I used it strictly for post cycle therapy (pct) with nolva at the end of my last cycle of omnadren/eq/dbol and managed to keep about 80% of my gains. hope it works out for you bro.

 

[Ythrashin]

HCG is best used during your cycle period.

Its easier for your HPTA to recover if you keep your testes functioning or at least partially functioning throughout your cycle.

That is the optimal way...

This way is not:
If your have experienced total or almost complete shutdown after a cycle since you didnt take HCG.... You have to sometimes shock your testes to start working with large doses of HCG.

Logically it is best to keep them functioning all the time. If you let them shutdown completely they may never fully wake up again.

 

[Ythrashin]

no problem. sounds like you got a good cycle lined up. it's true that it's better to not get shutdown than try to start your nuts back up. I used it strictly for PCT with nolva at the end of my last cycle of omnadren/eq/dbol and managed to keep about 80% of my gains. hope it works out for you bro.

That's a contradiction bro...

You use HCG during PCT to not get shutdown?

If you use HCG only at the end you are shutdown bro.

Your testes during your presumably long EQ cycle were not exposed/stimulated by LH/HCG for weeks.

Also, you should not use HCG with Clomid or nolva since HCG suppresses natural LH production.

 

[Teutonic]

This guy KNOWS bro s^^^^^

 

[shithead]

Yup...

Sub q. I've used 500iu's twice a week at the end of my cycle and it worked wonders. This stuff is very potent, so I will be using a lower dose next time.

 

[buck longhorn]

That's a contradiction bro...

You use HCG during PCT to not get shutdown?

If you use HCG only at the end you are shutdown bro.

Your testes during your presumably long EQ cycle were not exposed/stimulated by LH/HCG for weeks.

Also, you should not use HCG with Clomid or nolva since HCG suppresses natural LH production.

you kind of mis interpreted what I wrote. I didn't say I didn't let myself get shutdown. I said it's better not to do it. now I know. also, the nolva came after the hcg, not simultaneously. sorry if that came off as confusing.

 

[Ythrashin]

you kind of mis interpreted what I wrote. I didn't say I didn't let myself get shutdown. I said it's better not to do it. now I know. also, the nolva came after the hcg, not simultaneously. sorry if that came off as confusing.

AH... I reread it and got it. LOL...

 

[buck longhorn]

sorry about the confusion bro. quick question, HCG suppresse LH by mimicking it, correct? also, just for a second opinion, what's your suggestion for dose and duration?

 

[Ythrashin]

sorry about the confusion bro. quick question, HCG suppresse LH by mimicking it, correct? also, just for a second opinion, what's your suggestion for dose and duration?

Thats been debated... some think that it causes no direct suppression to LH and just suppression through negative feedback. There was an article floating around that HCG did cause negative feedback directly...

There are conflicting opinions about it with various Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) specialists.

I was once told by a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) rep that HCG use shutdowns your HPTA/LH harder then negative feedback.

Never read anything concrete to support that though...

 

[buck longhorn]

that makes two of us bro.. it all seems to be "hear-say"

 

[Globalantiagingsystems]

Thats been debated... some think that it causes no direct suppression to LH and just suppression through negative feedback. There was an article floating around that HCG did cause negative feedback directly...

There are conflicting opinions about it with various Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) specialists.

I was once told by a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) rep that HCG use shutdowns your HPTA/LH harder then negative feedback.

Never read anything concrete to support that though...

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). This causes testicular atrophy, among other things. hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production.[19]

High levels of AASs, that mimic the body's natural testosterone, trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone.[20] In males, hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.

If hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland.

PS. I have a credible double blinded cross over study of HCG from the Journal of the American association of medicine which is titled 'Chorionic Gonadotropin in weight control'...

If anyone would want this, I am going to post a link for D/L, its a PDF...PM me its an interesting read.

 

[Ythrashin]

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). This causes testicular atrophy, among other things. hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production.[19]

High levels of AASs, that mimic the body's natural testosterone, trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone.[20] In males, hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.

If hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland.

PS. I have a credible double blinded cross over study of HCG from the Journal of the American association of medicine which is titled 'Chorionic Gonadotropin in weight control'...

If anyone would want this, I am going to post a link for D/L, its a PDF...PM me its an interesting read.

Thanks for elaborating...

Are you potentially a new Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) sponsor?

 

[Mcstabberson]

lol

 

[Ythrashin]

Hcg for weight control is bullshit.

 

[tootie]

Hcg for weight control is bullshit.

X2..

all that HCG diet bullshit is really driving me nuts..especially when my girl goes "I'm gonna take some hcg classes and lose these love handels!" ...Bitch no you're not wasteing 500 bones on tht shit. goddam