Blood work will kill two birds with one stone. If your gear is bunk it will tell you or if it's good it will tell you. A CBC will also tell you your leukocyte count which is the esterase primarily responsible for hydrolizing steroid esters. If leukocytes are low you'd have a hard time metabolizing the steroid ester but this would be for every ester not just the cypionate ester. There is of difference in ester metabolism as they all use the same pathway and only differ in water solubility. So once again, if this isn't working for you it's bc your gear is bunk or your leukocyte count is WAYYYYYYY down but even then there are other non specific esterases that can break down the ester.
burning off the ester off the testosterone cyp ester
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Blood work will kill two birds with one stone. If your gear is bunk it will tell you or if it's good it will tell you. A CBC will also tell you your leukocyte count which is the esterase primarily responsible for hydrolizing steroid esters. If leukocytes are low you'd have a hard time metabolizing the steroid ester but this would be for every ester not just the cypionate ester. There is of difference in ester metabolism as they all use the same pathway and only differ in water solubility. So once again, if this isn't working for you it's bc your gear is bunk or your leukocyte count is WAYYYYYYY down but even then there are other non specific esterases that can break down the ester.
interesting tell me more about this leukocytes. how do i raise this?
i talked to this guy he did not respond to cyp but when he inject into sub-q fat with insulin needle every 2 days it worked. he said prop worked fine and sustonon worked the best for him.
now i had been injected with haldol decontate injection against my will and that worked. the medicine did worked. my guess is that haldol decontate is the same ester say deca or testosterone decontate?
i talked to this guy he did not respond to cyp but when he inject into sub-q fat with insulin needle every 2 days it worked. he said prop worked fine and sustonon worked the best for him.
now i had been injected with haldol decontate injection against my will and that worked. the medicine did worked. my guess is that haldol decontate is the same ester say deca or testosterone decontate?
Austinite
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It's the dominant white blood cell.
That's the opposite of what you'd expect to happen. The shorter the ester the more water soluble it is. The longer the ester the more lipid soluble. More water solubility or shorter esters should break down easier and wouldn't require the same level of leukocytes to break the ester off the off the hormone. You're saying the longer ester worked better which should be the opposite if esterases were an issue. You also implied the other guy got better results injecting sub q which again is against what you'd expect. Injecting sub q in fat would only serve to slow the metabolism of the ester. Remember the more water so,unless the easier to break down in water and esterase. Now you're saying it worked better in fat?
This is also ignoring the fact that if a sub q injection worked, there is no reason an IM injection wouldn't work which would also mean it's not the ester that's at fault. If as you're saying the Cyp didn't work, have you ever thought about maybe the Cyp was garbage?
You know what's really funny, is watching 2rude4u's gradually increasing frustration in this thread. I'm laughing because I can imagine him throwing his hands in the air and saying "What??!!". Laughing with, not at
It's been entertaining to say the least.
He did say don't confuse the 2Rude for 2Nice
no the test cant be bust, got a few vial from different pharmacies. maybe the fat has more esterase in it or somethin.
also I know it not bust cause in week 4 it kicked in, after that it never worked again i injected gram after gram and nothing. one time i injected in the shoulder and immedietly after wards i did dumbell presses and then maybe some of it got released into the fat and that what caused it to work?
any way what is the best way to purify ANDROGEL TO PURE TESTOSTERONE?
Are you using testosterone from a 'REAL' pharmacy or an underground lab?
Do you have blood work to prove it kicked in? Do you think you suddenly developed a hydrolysis problem wk 4 into the cycle? After 4wks you built up a tolerance to the cypionate ester? Hardly.
I'm really trying to be serious but this last comment caught me off guard. Can you explain how you injected into your shoulder, did dumbbell presses, and got it to work? How would you even know it worked so quickly?
thanks for helping me so far dude, all this shit just baffles me. yes it was from a legit us pharmacy cvs,wallgreens,walmart.... by doing dumbell presses meybe that caused some of the test ti squeeze out into the fat tissue?
also could be antibodies to the ester or test. as i felt pain in the liver and kidney after injection. could be the body rejecting the product? other wise why would i feel pain in my kidneys and liver.
and of course when i injeccted into the shoulder it did not work suddenly i felt it a few days later.
halfwit
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Damn, long day and no 'ology. I was lucky enough to stumble onto this gem of a thread though. 
OP: The process you're looking for is called alpha or beta cleavage which is the removing of an ester from another molecule. I'm sorry, but as you can see here, it is by no means an easy process nor would you want to expose your tissues to a process including the use of hydroxide ions as this can produce a very acidic compound if not done properly. I am by no means an organic chemist nor do I have more experience with chemistry than my two years at the university level, but I can tell you that it would be a far more expensive and daunting task than you would want to undertake.
I have heard of this "cyp non responder" which does pop up randomly on some boards from time to time and I have done some reading on how folks are concerned that their bodies lack part of the CYP34A chain to effectively metabolize the hormone as they do not have enough of the required esterase to effectively remove the cypionate chain. If you truly feel that this is your case, pick up a vial of testosterone propionate and experiment with that. It is effectively the lightest ester you'll typically find (acetate is shorter, but most don't use that with testosterone) and will be suitable for IM injections.
Don't mess with androgel please. You're once again asking for more trouble than it's worth. Just pick up some prop and get a blood test in 2 weeks. That will answer your question, provided the test you have now is legitimate.
My .02c
OP: The process you're looking for is called alpha or beta cleavage which is the removing of an ester from another molecule. I'm sorry, but as you can see here, it is by no means an easy process nor would you want to expose your tissues to a process including the use of hydroxide ions as this can produce a very acidic compound if not done properly. I am by no means an organic chemist nor do I have more experience with chemistry than my two years at the university level, but I can tell you that it would be a far more expensive and daunting task than you would want to undertake.
I have heard of this "cyp non responder" which does pop up randomly on some boards from time to time and I have done some reading on how folks are concerned that their bodies lack part of the CYP34A chain to effectively metabolize the hormone as they do not have enough of the required esterase to effectively remove the cypionate chain. If you truly feel that this is your case, pick up a vial of testosterone propionate and experiment with that. It is effectively the lightest ester you'll typically find (acetate is shorter, but most don't use that with testosterone) and will be suitable for IM injections.
Don't mess with androgel please. You're once again asking for more trouble than it's worth. Just pick up some prop and get a blood test in 2 weeks. That will answer your question, provided the test you have now is legitimate.
My .02c
Damn, long day and no 'ology. I was lucky enough to stumble onto this gem of a thread though.
OP: The process you're looking for is called alpha or beta cleavage which is the removing of an ester from another molecule. I'm sorry, but as you can see here, it is by no means an easy process nor would you want to expose your tissues to a process including the use of hydroxide ions as this can produce a very acidic compound if not done properly. I am by no means an organic chemist nor do I have more experience with chemistry than my two years at the university level, but I can tell you that it would be a far more expensive and daunting task than you would want to undertake.
I have heard of this "cyp non responder" which does pop up randomly on some boards from time to time and I have done some reading on how folks are concerned that their bodies lack part of the CYP34A chain to effectively metabolize the hormone as they do not have enough of the required esterase to effectively remove the cypionate chain. If you truly feel that this is your case, pick up a vial of testosterone propionate and experiment with that. It is effectively the lightest ester you'll typically find (acetate is shorter, but most don't use that with testosterone) and will be suitable for IM injections.
Don't mess with androgel please. You're once again asking for more trouble than it's worth. Just pick up some prop and get a blood test in 2 weeks. That will answer your question, provided the test you have now is legitimate.
My .02c
cyp34A JUST gets rid of the testosterone out of your system. funny how i responded to decontate ester the longest ester there is but not the cyp ester.
and if people lack cyp34 that would actually be a good thing cause then the testosterone will flow in you body for longer periods of time.
Megatron28
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When you say you "responded" am I understanding correctly that you are saying you can feel it "kick in" the same day as when you do the injection?
And based on the repeated ignoring of queries, I take it you have no lab work whatsoever to share.
2rude4u
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You don't know the half of it. My brain is swelling and I think my skull is about to explode! Sadly however, I can't say this is the stupiest thing I've heard of related to steroids, but it's definetly a finalist.You know what's really funny, is watching 2rude4u's gradually increasing frustration in this thread. I'm laughing because I can imagine him throwing his hands in the air and saying "What??!!". Laughing with, not at
It's been entertaining to say the least.
Nice to see you got "Austinte" back.
Austinite
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2rude4u
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2Nice only comes around when I forget my AI.He did say don't confuse the 2Rude for 2Nice
What is your basis for the testosterone not working or the ester not hydrolizing? Is it bc it's not treating your depression as is the case in this thread from 2012? Testosterone is no substitute for Zoloft.
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/618278-such-thing-testosterone-non-responders.html
Or what about this time:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/628657-body-does-not-respond-testosterone-cyp-s-ester.html
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/618278-such-thing-testosterone-non-responders.html
Or what about this time:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/628657-body-does-not-respond-testosterone-cyp-s-ester.html
This makes no sense. If you were even able to move the depot or "squeeze test" from one tissue to another the absorption would have slowed if it went into fat tissue.
Injectable steroids are VERY VERY rarely associated with renal or hepatic toxicity. In fact, injectable anabolic steroids are often used in patients suffering from anemias related to some form of kidney disease in order to increase red blood cell production. They're also used as a general anabolic support and to treat hypogonadism is dialysis patients.
Furthermore, testosterone cypionate is neither a 17alpha-alkylated compound nor is it exposed to first pass hepatic metabolism like oral AAS making liver damage from injectible testosterone extremely rare.
I just finished a 16wk cycle of testosterone I knew was good (verified by blood work) and I can tell you I did not feel any single injection and I did not feel any effects from any single injection. Ever.
yeah i have they came sky high. the labs pick up the test with the ester. lol there been people on y cyp for years and years and complin they feel nothing no sides nothing, little do they they know that testosterone is not realeasing.
what do you guys explain the kidney and liver pain i experienced from the cyp first month or so after that nothing like injecting water. could it be antibodies once i inject the body imminently rejects it and gets rid of it trough the urine?
what do you guys explain the kidney and liver pain i experienced from the cyp first month or so after that nothing like injecting water. could it be antibodies once i inject the body imminently rejects it and gets rid of it trough the urine?
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