***BUST*** Liquid Research / NuRave INC.

[dirty-dog]

bros i gotta believe the feds are not after small time customers in this. and if they are keep your mouth locked up tighter than a nun's knees on good friday.

 

[ssmla123]

I'm gonna have faith in joltan and just make stuff go away and see what they try to do.

 

[tee]

If you ordered from liquidresearch during the time of this incident and havent gotten your product, I would not accept any package that anyone attempts to hand deliver. If you are extremely worried, clean your house and store your stuff elsewhere. As long as you refuse to accept a package that a law dog attempts to deliver, they will not have enough evidence to get a warrant and enter your home. They may knock on the door and question you, but you are under no obligation to talk with them. They may threaten to get a warant, take your first born child, etc. As long as you do not let them in, do not accept the package, and refuse to speak with them, they cannot do anything to you. The problem with liquid research is that they were not only dealing in liquid clomid, Nolvadex, liquidex, etc. They were dealing in and distributing many more items that sent a red flag to the Feds....see insert.

(*Edward Barton was charged with possession with intent to distribute anabolic steroids, creation of clandestine lab, possession of GBL (a compound synonymous with steroid use), possession of marijuana, and possession of controlled dangerous substance in the presence of minor, the couple’s 3-year-old son.

Natalie Barton was charged with creation of clandestine lab, possession of GBL, possession of marijuana, and possession of controlled dangerous substance in the presence of minor.

Christopher Durel, identified as an employee of the operation, was charged with creation of clandestine lab and possession of GBL.*)




I cannot say for sure, but I would be willing to bet that they would not have messed with them if they would have stuck strictly with liquid anti-Es.

 

[Animalkits]

Sorry, but you are sadly, dangerously and seriously WRONG!

It sounds like all too many used credit cards and other traceable payment forms and therefore they know DAMN WELL you ordered it whether you 'accept it' or not.

If they want ya, that's more than enough proof of your intent.

 

[tee]

Sorry, but you are sadly, dangerously and seriously WRONG!

It sounds like all too many used credit cards and other traceable payment forms and therefore they know DAMN WELL you ordered it whether you 'accept it' or not.

If they want ya, that's more than enough proof of your intent.

Sorry, but I am not wrong. You must be in possession of an illegal substance to be charged with it. Merely ordering it does not constitute that. If a judge issues a search warrant for your home because a credit card can be traced to you possibly ordering an illegal item, (without you accepting the package), you will have one awesome lawsuit. I realize you have had several negative experiences with the law, but I am also quite knowledgeable in this area.

 

[joltan]

Animalkits, there not going to do anything with people that have small orders, and its just plain stupid to use your credit card to order something illegal. Most people use western unions and use a different name, and im sure the feds/cops whatever dont have a western union client list. And if they did they can't just charge you if a package got sent to your house, they have no proof you ordered it. The court of law will not prosecute someone just because something was sent to there house /po box without any proof that they purchased it. It happens all the time, i always get my neighbors mail and mail from other people i dont know. Whats the worst that could happen if you did order clomid or nolvadex with a credit card and they find it? WTF, they could possibly charge you with possesion of a anti estrogen if the cop was a complete asshole with too many issues in his own personal life. Whats that a misdemeanor? You would get a small fine and no jail time. Quit making this such a big deal.

 

[Animalkits]

You might want to do some research into the law and what the PO and popo do. There are quite a few cases where people don't except or put it outside door with RTS on it and they still get popped. Even if left in mailbox there are cases of visits. Ask Rick Collins.

And you most definitely do not know ANYTHING about western union. Yea, some won't use their real names, but the feds will subpoeana ALL Liqs WU transactions. I know, they did it to me!

And sorry, but they don't just send you a nice letter asking you to fess up. You get your door kicked in if they want and you know damn well they are in there to look for the misdemeanor stuff, but in hope that you have other big stuff around.

I got my door kicked in the first time for legal syringes in my garbage used to transfer chemicals out of chemical bottles from a chemical company along with them looking at my chemical purchases. It looked like I was a drug dealer/user and thought they would find more...............

 

[Animalkits]

Sorry, but I am not wrong. You must be in possession of an illegal substance to be charged with it. Merely ordering it does not constitute that. If a judge issues a search warrant for your home because a credit card can be traced to you possibly ordering an illegal item, (without you accepting the package), you will have one awesome lawsuit. I realize you have had several negative experiences with the law, but I am also quite knowledgeable in this area.

Again, talk to Rick Collins. I was named in a nationwide federal case in a prosecution attempt that superceded an original indictment of the business owner to name me and other customers. I wasn't even in that state. All I did was buy the stuff. I didn't possess the stuff and none was found, but I was named because just my buying was INTENT to use it incorrectly in THAT state.

 

[Animalkits]

Oh yea, and who are you gonna sue? THE DEA or the Judge? AHAHAH!

 

[joltan]

You might want to do some research into the law and what the PO and popo do. There are quite a few cases where people don't except or put it outside door with RTS on it and they still get popped. Even if left in mailbox there are cases of visits. Ask Rick Collins.

And you most definitely do not know ANYTHING about western union. Yea, some won't use their real names, but the feds will subpoeana ALL Liqs WU transactions. I know, they did it to me!

And sorry, but they don't just send you a nice letter asking you to fess up. You get your door kicked in if they want and you know damn well they are in there to look for the misdemeanor stuff, but in hope that you have other big stuff around.

I got my door kicked in the first time for legal syringes in my garbage used to transfer chemicals out of chemical bottles from a chemical company along with them looking at my chemical purchases. It looked like I was a drug dealer/user and thought they would find more...............

Im not asking rick collins shit, and dont question me about my knowledge. They get popped? Were not talking about visits here were talking about the court of law. Who's fault is it that they found illegal syringes/chemicals in your garbage? That could be a reason to take action yes, but your mentioning things that have nothing to do with this whole argument.

 

[tee]

Again, talk to Rick Collins. I was named in a nationwide federal case in a prosecution attempt that superceded an original indictment of the business owner to name me and other customers. I wasn't even in that state. All I did was buy the stuff. I didn't possess the stuff and none was found, but I was named because just my buying was INTENT to use it incorrectly in THAT state.

I have read all about your case on your board. What I am saying is that no judge in their right mind will issue a search warrant for a private residence based on the fact that a credit card was used to purchase a liquid Ant-E, and that the person that owns the credit card lives in --- house. If they really didn't have anything to do and wanted to go after the resident, they would need to make a controlled delivery to that residence. Then, the acceptance of the suspicious package would still not be enough for them to get a search warrant for the residence. They must prove that the person who accepted the package made a clear intent on keeping (possessing) the illlegal item(s). This is proven either by a signature required on the package, and/or a monitoring device being placed within the package to alert them when opened, or just plain waiting. By waiting, the suspect cannot argue that he did not intend on keeping the illlegal item because he would have called the post office, the local police, etc. and reported that he just got something in the mail that looks suspicious and he did not order it. If you could get a warrant served on someone's residence just because a credit card was traced to a purchase of an illegal item, my ex wives would have had me in the slammer long ago! Anyone could steal or use a credit card and set someone up that way. I will say that having a credit card that belongs to you used to purchase an illegal item is suspicious, but thats not enough for a search warrant. Reasonable suspicion is alot different from probable cause. As far as who would you sue, you would sue the county that violated your civil rights by illegally raiding your residence. Which I must say is quite similar to a case currently occuring within my state. Rick is a very good lawyer, but if he is saying that your home can legally be raided if you refuse to accept a package that they try to deliver, then he is wrong as well. If you put a package outside by your door, or do not open it, havent you technically taken it from the undercover mail carrier? Yes, you have. That is an extremely weak case, but could be argued that you accepted the package. If you refuse to take the package at all, they cannot enter!

 

[joltan]

animalkits, i respect you and all but i think your just making too much of a fuss about this. You have half of this board shivering in their boots now thinking their going to get busted. I mean its barely a crime just possesing the stuff, you have people thinking their going to get their doors busted in and their houses raided, come on man, you know its not going to go down like that.

 

[Animalkits]

Im not asking rick collins shit, and dont question me about my knowledge. They get popped? Were not talking about visits here were talking about the court of law. Who's fault is it that they found illegal syringes/chemicals in your garbage? That could be a reason to take action yes, but your mentioning things that have nothing to do with this whole argument. jesus f'n christ chill the fuck out

You obviously can't read because syringes are legal as are the chems.

Try again,

 

[Animalkits]

'They must prove that the person who accepted the package made a clear intent on keeping (possessing) the illlegal item(s). '

Ummm, you ordered it with your CC and likely exchanged emails. That's INTENT.

And somehow they, whoever, got people to believe that clenbuterol was somehow legal. That's a big problem, too. THAT is banned in the same class as steroids with same penalties.

I'm not trying to scare anybody, just telling them what is possible and what can happen and that they DO come looking for other stuff.

 

[Animalkits]

BTW, I conversed with liqui and with collins and I was in the same business and due to MY intent or the customers intent not being under my control, I bailed on this aspect of the industry and recommended he watch his ass. His lawyer had other ideas and as usual if your lawyer is wrong you pay the price.

Maybe anybody who bought can convince them they didn't know what it was they were buying or they do have a lab? Good luck.

 

[joltan]

if the chemicals were legal, than they had no right to bust your door down in the first place. this is what im trying to say. obviously you didnt get into any trouble unless you were possesing something that was illegal. i can't read? you can not write. Where does it say what kind of chemicals you had in your previous statment? try again

 

[Bimmer]

this is probably unnecessary but people should really stop mentioning what they did and didnt do/order. Better safe then sorry. Let the heat die down so the feds fuck off faster.

 

[joltan]

'They must prove that the person who accepted the package made a clear intent on keeping (possessing) the illlegal item(s). '

Ummm, you ordered it with your CC and likely exchanged emails. That's INTENT.

And somehow they, whoever, got people to believe that clenbuterol was somehow legal. That's a big problem, too. THAT is banned in the same class as steroids with same penalties.

I'm not trying to scare anybody, just telling them what is possible and what can happen and that they DO come looking for other stuff.

exactly bro, im not saying your wrong about the cops/feds doing stuff they legally can not do, it happens. but what i am saying is that you can try to prevent something drastic from happening. Do not open the package, stick to your story. And just don't worry about it, unless something happens. and what your saying about intention to buy is true to a certain extent, BUT they do need proof, and just because it was addressed to a certant address does not give them proof you purchased it. they did not see YOU order it. mistakes do happen. it's like putting a person in prison for a murder they did not commit. they need proof.

 

[Animalkits]

ok, can agree with that.

Most do NOT have to worry, but a little is good when the nazi's have a hard on for an entire group of people!

 

[joltan]

good point. glad we came to a conclusion