Calling all prop guys

[DeusMalo]

Yup. I shoot my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) IM also. I feel it working quicker; maybe placebo. I just don't like subq shots.. They always make my injection site itchy

Not placebo - IM has a faster distribution rate than subq. More blood flow in a muscle than in your hypodermis. Same faster distribution as with B shots, HGH or even oil-based such as test (I've noticed some do it subq).

Technically, half life is harder to predict subq than IM, but is generally considered longer (since there is a correlation to distribution rate).

 

[DeusMalo]

cjw I prefer not to use wikipedia as a source for scientific/medical research. I find no such reference in any of the mainstream peer reviewed scientific journals as it relates to nocturia and low testosterone. That is not to say that you are incorrect, just that I haven't seen any articles showing that relationship to date.

Interesting - I've seen quite a bit on this. Isn't one of the many symptoms of low testosterone BPH? Have I read a formal scientific study? No. But I wouldn't go out of my way since it's not interesting enough for me to go looking... and getting my testosterone up seemed to take care of it for me.

Personally I look for easy patterns such as a lot of well-known medical reference sites, articles, etc. rather than try to put myself through med school in my spare time

 

[cashout]

Not placebo - IM has a faster distribution rate than subq. More blood flow in a muscle than in your hypodermis. Same faster distribution as with B shots, HGH or even oil-based such as test (I've noticed some do it subq).

Technically, half life is harder to predict subq than IM, but is generally considered longer (since there is a correlation to distribution rate).

This is correct.

There are a few studies out there on sub q test injection and they support the proposition that the dispersion rate is slowed with sub q injections for oil-based compounds.

Although the results were statistically significant one has to wonder what, if any, generalized effect it has on the overall sense of well-being.

One thing is clear, either IM or sub q will work. The slight variations between the type of injection method used may be like splitting hairs in the net effect one actually experiences.

However, for some, sub-q may be somewhat less painful.

 

[maxxmill17]

I used to use prop and never had pain then the compound pharm. went out of biz. switched to new company had pani,fever, stopped porp4 years ago..now zits,hairloss,high E..i never stopped to think was from switching ester (enenthate) .80mgs 2x per week...

I want to go back to prop., can u get away with e3d? what dose and schedual u gurs doing? thx....and Chip is there more than one brand to try if 1 is painfull?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

i used to use prop and never had pain then the compound pharm. Went out of biz. Switched to new company had pani,fever, stopped porp4 years ago..now zits,hairloss,high e..i never stopped to think was from switching ester (enenthate) .80mgs 2x per week...

I want to go back to prop., can u get away with e3d? What dose and schedual u gurs doing? Thx....and chip is there more than one brand to try if 1 is painfull?

i've got numerous different pharms that we have relationships with. So yes, if you try prop from one farm and it is a bad experience, we can go elsewhere next time. I personally do 100mg eod as my therapy, as well as my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and b-12. (religiously).

 

[wolfman010]

What length and size of syringe would you guys recommend for someone who is going to do his prop and hcg in the delts? I'd like to be able to use the same syringes for each so I can just stick with one size/length of needle.

 

[DeusMalo]

Well, personally, I wouldn't look to standardize both to the same size - t prop is oil-based and HCG is water-based meaning you can use two very different sizes... BUT, if you are very lean and not too worried about deep IM, some on this forum have been using insulin syringes to inject cyp/prop, which is what is ideal for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). 29-30g w/ 7/16"-1/2" in length.

I am pretty lean, but personally I like the thought of deep IM since all studies/testing/development was down around this. For t prop in delts or quads I use 23g 1" and it works great for me. I've used 25g, but way too slow for my patience and needles simply don't bug me.

HCG I use insulin syringe - any size, but prefer 30g. I'll do these in delts, quads, forearms and sometimes I do subq in stomach - all work fine for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). IM vs. subq just affects absorption rate... which I don't notice anything different one way or the other.

 

[woobs]

Just curious as to how much Prop you guys inject EOD. Chip does 100 EOD, which comes out to about 350mg Test a week. What do you other guys do as your protocol?

Ive cycled with Prop and it was hit or miss with pain at my injection sites.

 

[wolfman010]

Well, personally, I wouldn't look to standardize both to the same size - t prop is oil-based and HCG is water-based meaning you can use two very different sizes... BUT, if you are very lean and not too worried about deep IM, some on this forum have been using insulin syringes to inject cyp/prop, which is what is ideal for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). 29-30g w/ 7/16"-1/2" in length.

I am pretty lean, but personally I like the thought of deep IM since all studies/testing/development was down around this. For t prop in delts or quads I use 23g 1" and it works great for me. I've used 25g, but way too slow for my patience and needles simply don't bug me.

HCG I use insulin syringe - any size, but prefer 30g. I'll do these in delts, quads, forearms and sometimes I do subq in stomach - all work fine for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). IM vs. subq just affects absorption rate... which I don't notice anything different one way or the other.

Thanks for the response. How is the 25G needle when drawing the oil? Or do you use another size to draw and the 25G to inject?

Are your HCG pins 1" also?

 

[cjw2021]

Only one pharm didnt make me lump with prop. My body hates it...but loves it.' I can deadlift around 75 lbs-100lbs more on prop than on enanthate. weird huh.

 

[wolfman010]

Only one pharm didnt make me lump with prop. My body hates it...but loves it.' I can deadlift around 75 lbs-100lbs more on prop than on enanthate. weird huh.

That is weird, but sweet! haha. Hopefully by going deep IM with the 1" needle in delts will ease up on the lumping/pain I hear about with prop.

As for the other question:

How is the 25G needle when drawing the oil? Or do you use another size to draw and the 25G to inject?

Are your HCG pins 1" also?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

that is weird, but sweet! Haha. Hopefully by going deep im with the 1" needle in delts will ease up on the lumping/pain i hear about with prop.

As for the other question:

How is the 25g needle when drawing the oil? Or do you use another size to draw and the 25g to inject?

Are your hcg pins 1" also?

use 18g to draw and 25g to inject.

 

[wolfman010]

use 18g to draw and 25g to inject.

Thanks, looks like Ill be doing that for my prop and just sticking with 29 or 30g for my hcg