Collagen Synthesis/ EQ and other AS's

atomknight

Test E. baby!
I don't have a good enough puter to put all these articles together.
How ever i have been wondering If any of the mods or veterens here know much about, or pick a "stack" with aas's that increase Collagen Synthesis.
Witch has shown to do all kinds of wonderful things, especally to an aging BBer's body.
 
If steroids are so good for my connective tissues, why, after being on almost 4 years straight, do I go from one injury to the next?

I don't put a lot of stock in that, I think if you want to protect yourself and strengthen your connective tissues, gh and IGF LR3 are where its at. I do avoid winstrol in part because it makes me more prone to injuries.
 
In order to get the benefits of increased type II collagen synthesis one has to keep the test doses on the low side like 250-400mg. Test lowers collagen synthesis by 80% and Trev is right on the money about Winstrol (winny). While it increase the thickness of tendons and ligaments it also makes them more brittle.

A good cycle for our purposes would be test in the above amount but the cycle should be based on higher doses of Boldenone or Nandrolone. They increase collagen synthesis by 340% and 270% respectively. Boldenone obviously being the better choice for many reasons. Some GH as mentioned previously would also be extremely beneficial.
 
I've defiantely read Var is very good for collagen synthesis and as above Test actually reduces collagen synthesis...just one more reason to stack correctly.
 
Increase skeletal muscle & collagen synthesis with certain AAS

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(originally posted by AnimalMass)

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
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Great 1,
I'm glad I asked.
I searched for collagen synthesis before I posted and got a zero.
Thanks Stone,,,god I love this board....
 
I am going to bump this. If you are interested in why, look at most of the threads I start...it's like I am made of glass or something. For god sakes man...tricep, thigh, pectoral...what's next? Thanks, Stone. Good info.
 
I am going to bump this. If you are interested in why, look at most of the threads I start...it's like I am made of glass or something. For god sakes man...tricep, thigh, pectoral...what's next? Thanks, Stone. Good info.

All he did was copy and paste it. The original is from PM..
 
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Highly interested in this as well...I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now and would like to add some nandrolone...Two torn patellar tendons, SLAP tear in the shoulder, and tendonosis in the tricep tendons...Hope to get some relief.
 
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