combination of weed and gear

[jozifp103]

Ok enough.

I have no problem with people defending marijuana for their own personal use, but to say you do it for bodybuilding is*idiotic.
Marijuana offers zero benefits for bodybuilding, I repeat ZERO.

For fat loss I have experiemented with everything you can imagine & then some, marijuana is a fat loss nightmare due to the appetite effects.
For building muscle it offers nothing physiologically, absolutely nothing & yes I've considered the appetite stuff.

As for the nonsense you've spewed out here we go:
It does NOT increase focus (opposite actually)
It does NOT increase cardio endurance (opposite again)
It promotes sleep for SOME people but it also decreases REM sleep in others (vital for muscle growth & recovery)
As for your less stress = less catabolic hormones bullshit its MUCH more complicated than that so I wont bother going into it but if your referring to cortisol - marijuana causes an acute increase, not decrease.

Again, I have NO issues with people who like to defend marijuana but do NOT act like its good for bodybuilding because it isn't - research it effectively & you'll see the big picture when it comes to this.
This, amazingly, is the THIRD thread in less than a week talking about this so clearly you guys are hardcore defenders of it, which is fine except this this board should be about aas/bodybuilding/sport performance.

Marijuana is not beneficial for bodybuilding based on my experience and studies (yes I will go full geek mode if I have to).
If you want to take it fine, but please dont attempt to say its beneficial for bb on an open board

that is just one mans opinion my friend. it effects everyone differently. I for one, experience an increase in focus as well. i am aable to channel out everything else except for the contraction of the target muscle. i will agree marijuana has no anabolic advantages, but i will agree that it reduces your "fight or flight" instincts which is bad in serious situations, but helps you remain calm during a normally stressful situation which can help keep stress related cortisol down.

it may cause an accute increase in cortisol, but nowhere near the amount stress causes.

i wont say it helps or it hurts, i will say i dont think it makes much of a difference and if it helps you focus and have a more enjoyable workout/day, go for it.

 

[chris31]

You won't really find any human trials of marijuna....

As far as helping you focus I think that's individual based also strain based....

I wouldn't enjoy working out high or buzzed. ..but we are all different. ...

One thing I do know is it helps my sleep tremendously since I have sleep apnea and have to wear the most uncomfortable head gear...it helps me get more relaxed and in to a deep sleep. ...

 

[Chicago712]

Ok enough.

I have no problem with people defending marijuana for their own personal use, but to say you do it for bodybuilding is*idiotic.
Marijuana offers zero benefits for bodybuilding, I repeat ZERO.

For fat loss I have experiemented with everything you can imagine & then some, marijuana is a fat loss nightmare due to the appetite effects.
For building muscle it offers nothing physiologically, absolutely nothing & yes I've considered the appetite stuff.

As for the nonsense you've spewed out here we go:
It does NOT increase focus (opposite actually)
It does NOT increase cardio endurance (opposite again)
It promotes sleep for SOME people but it also decreases REM sleep in others (vital for muscle growth & recovery)
As for your less stress = less catabolic hormones bullshit its MUCH more complicated than that so I wont bother going into it but if your referring to cortisol - marijuana causes an acute increase, not decrease.

Again, I have NO issues with people who like to defend marijuana but do NOT act like its good for bodybuilding because it isn't - research it effectively & you'll see the big picture when it comes to this.
This, amazingly, is the THIRD thread in less than a week talking about this so clearly you guys are hardcore defenders of it, which is fine except this this board should be about aas/bodybuilding/sport performance.

Marijuana is not beneficial for bodybuilding based on my experience and studies (yes I will go full geek mode if I have to).
If you want to take it fine, but please dont attempt to say its beneficial for bb on an open board

dude you sound sooo IGNORANT to say sooo definitively how a chemical works for me--- those are the benefits i receive.. idc you can argue or doubt it all you like but that is exactly how it effects ME..

also go ahead and link studies... just like EQ's appetite stimulation is not a proven but it definitely is a reality to certain individuals...

sadly in bodybuilding and AAS - broscience > science - and i don't mean broscience as in the big guy told you at the gym to take 20mg dbol for 3months and how that's the best thing to do... i mean shit that has never been proven thru legitimate studies however it fucking works...

i'd rather listen to someone that's been in the trenches then someone with no personal experience when it comes to topics like this

and i never linked or tried to explain how or why something like weed helps me focus or have more successful cardio sessions but it certainly doees

nothing and i repeat NOTHING has been directly linked to me using MJ, for example the stress thing... if it helps me relax from all the other shit that life throws at it me it indirectly results in less cortisol release most definitely

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

No human studies hmm? Just my opinion is it?

This human study shows that marijuana increases ghrelin (hunger hormone) & decreases peptitde YY (satiety hormone), showing that marijuans causes you to overeat from a physiological base - its NOT all psychological:

A pilot study of the effects of cannabis on appeti... [Brain Res. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

Here are a pair of human studies showing that marijuana reduces cardio endurance at both moderate & high intensity (80%hr+):

Acute effects of marihuana smoking on m... [Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1986] - PubMed - NCBI
The effects of smoking marihuana on physical ... [Med Sci Sports. 1975] - PubMed - NCBI

Finally, this study shows that marijuana reduces motor function & co-ordination. It also shows that these negative sides dont seem to go away with constant use - not exactly good for resistance training:
Marijuana's dose-dependent effects ... [Exp Clin Psychopharmacol. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

There are some human studies showing why marijuana sucks for bodybuilding.
Let me note that I have NO problem with marijuana use per se, just stating its beneficial to bodybuilding is what I have a problem with.

So for any interested readers lets clarify:
The guys advocating marijuanas benefits for bodybuilding rely on their personal experiences.
The guy saying its bad for bodybuilding relies on his personal experience, which is completely backed up by objective scientific studies.

 

[jozifp103]

No human studies hmm? Just my opinion is it?

This human study shows that marijuana increases ghrelin (hunger hormone) & decreases peptitde YY (satiety hormone), showing that marijuans causes you to overeat from a physiological base - its NOT all psychological:

A pilot study of the effects of cannabis on appeti... [Brain Res. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

Here are a pair of human studies showing that marijuana reduces cardio endurance at both moderate & high intensity (80%hr+):

Acute effects of marihuana smoking on m... [Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1986] - PubMed - NCBI
The effects of smoking marihuana on physical ... [Med Sci Sports. 1975] - PubMed - NCBI

Finally, this study shows that marijuana reduces motor function & co-ordination. It also shows that these negative sides dont seem to go away with constant use - not exactly good for resistance training:
Marijuana's dose-dependent effects ... [Exp Clin Psychopharmacol. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

There are some human studies showing why marijuana sucks for bodybuilding.

So for any interested readers lets clarify:
The guys advocating marijuanas benefits for bodybuilding rely on their personal experiences.
The guy saying its bad for bodybuilding relies on his personal experience, which is completely backed up by objective scientific studies.

all this proves is that it's more useful for bulking than cutting...

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

IT REDUCES MOTOR FUNCTION & CO-ORDINATION.

Explain to me how that helps with training regardless of the goal hmm?
How will it help squats with heavy weights? Or high reps bench press until failure?

Nevermind, for those who aren't complete pro-marijuana nuts I'm sure they got the point.

 

[jozifp103]

those effects are minimal at best, not enough to make a difference especially at low doses. it's not like im hittin the gas mask before i lift lol, just a couple tokes. ive trained with and without and i can say my strength/gains have not changed either way. look at arnold, the guy smoked like a banshee

 

[Chicago712]

No human studies hmm? Just my opinion is it?

This human study shows that marijuana increases ghrelin (hunger hormone) & decreases peptitde YY (satiety hormone), showing that marijuans causes you to overeat from a physiological base - its NOT all psychological:

I don't see anything wrong with that - either way cut or bulk
Bulk - it helps you eat more
Cut - keeps you hungry and able to eat all your meals

A pilot study of the effects of cannabis on appeti... [Brain Res. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

Here are a pair of human studies showing that marijuana reduces cardio endurance at both moderate & high intensity (80%hr+):



Acute effects of marihuana smoking on m... [Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1986] - PubMed - NCBI
this isn't even mentioning that in the first study they smoke a marijuana cigarette so obviously we could blame the paper they definitely should o had them smoke from glass or vaporized it
The effects of smoking marihuana on physical ... [Med Sci Sports. 1975] - PubMed - NCBI
seems like these studies were done on untrained marijuana smoking individuals and as determined by six variables: heart rate, blood pressure, muscular strength, physical work capacity, forced vital capacity, flow rate of expiration - all individuals could of had numerous preexisting conditions especially since all subjects were untrained----

Finally, this study shows that marijuana reduces motor function & co-ordination. It also shows that these negative sides dont seem to go away with constant use - not exactly good for resistance training:
Marijuana's dose-dependent effects ... [Exp Clin Psychopharmacol. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
and this one is useless considering it says these side effects subside after multiple dosages... look at the temporary side effects of tons of pharmaceuticals

There are some human studies showing why marijuana sucks for bodybuilding.
Let me note that I have NO problem with marijuana use per se, just stating its beneficial to bodybuilding.



So for any interested readers lets clarify:
The guys advocating marijuanas benefits for bodybuilding rely on their personal experiences.
The guy saying its bad for bodybuilding relies on his personal experience, which is completely backed up by objective scientific
studies.

It's great that you can pull up these studies, but they providing any sort of definitive answers

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[Chicago712]

those effects are minimal at best, not enough to make a difference especially at low doses. it's not like im hittin the gas mask before i lift lol, just a couple tokes. ive trained with and without and i can say my strength/gains have not changed either way. look at arnold, the guy smoked like a banshee

and Dorian is a true stoner

Dorian and Arnold are two of the grreats

 

[jozifp103]

and Dorian is a true stoner

Dorian and Arnold are two of the grreats

virtual high five

 

[Chicago712]

and on top of that- -- i bet you could think of 1,000 other chemicals that would negatively impact a bodybuilders 10x at least worse then marijuana with probably few to nil actual benefits

and even IF it truly didn't help.. placebo effect is very real in situations like this and if anyone believe it helps them train with a higher intensity i bet you 9 out of 10 times the individual will train at a higher intensity -- but this would only come into play if there truly was no benefits but that's just not true

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

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LOL your responses prove that I have been debating with someone who is completely clueless.

"Cut - keeps you hungry & able to eat all your meals" hahahaha dude stop seriously its embarassing, your advocating someyhing that increases appettite for fat loss.
"Individuals COULD OF had numerous preexisting conditions" we're making up scenarios to defend our position now are we?

Thank you, you've made it easier for the intelligent thread readers to decide on who's right & who's wrong

 

[Chicago712]

LOL your responses prove that I have been debating with someone who is completely clueless.

"Cut - keeps you hungry & able to eat all your meals" hahahaha dude stop seriously its embarassing, your advocating someyhing that increases appettite for fat loss.
"Individuals COULD OF had numerous preexisting conditions" we're making up scenarios to defend our position now are we?

Thank you, you've made it easier for the intelligent thread readers to decide on who's right & who's wrong

Dude I'm at work this truly isn't as important to me as it is to you -- everything i've stated is personal..

for me when i'm dieting it is extremely hard for me to get all of my food down because when I'm dieting my appetite literally goes to shit .. sorry but weed helps me eat that 6oz chicken and rice every 3 fucking hours.... i get it maybe 4-8weeks out from a comp weed would make me want to eat over what i'm supposed to but 99% of people don't diet to that extreme and i never once mentioned contest prep - we mentioned dieting


you turned this into a debate when it was originally just me stating my experience, and if you read the OP he's really just asking if it's more detrimental then drinking... and if you argue about that i honestly have nothing nice to say lol

and there's no right or wrong.. this is fucking bodybuilding.. this isn't science.. there are tons of things in this sport that go against science--- matter of fact bodybuilding itself goes against fucking science

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

You can try & defend weed for dieting all you want dude, its a terrible idea for everyone who wants to lose weight & keep it off - this is coming from a coach (cant wait to see 3Js response to this LOL).
Your post history has confirmed to me that you don't know what your talking about 90% of the time, this was just the icing on the cake.

I was finished taking this thread seriously after replying to Jo - I simply find your responses very amusing

 

[Chicago712]

You can try & defend weed for dieting all you want dude, its a terrible idea for everyone who wants to lose weight & keep it off - this is coming from a coach (cant wait to see 3Js response to this LOL).
Your post history has confirmed to me that you don't know what your talking about 90% of the time, this was just the icing on the cake.

I was finished taking this thread seriously after replying to Jo - I simply find your responses very amusing

i completely agree with you this will change from person to person and how strict of a diet someone is on - like i said none of this bodybuilding stuff is set and stone and it usually guys like you who are set in their ways who can't fathom to have any sort of open mind to other indiviudals

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

guys like you who are set in their ways who can't fathom to have any sort of open mind to other indiviudals

Your telling a contest prep coach who defends iifym, dnp & crash diets that he is set in his ways - you have no idea man.

There is NOTHING someone like you can teach someone like me about fat loss - nothing at all.
I've read books on physiology/biochemistry/biomechanics/nutrition so I could understood how everything in the body interacts.
I then read all the available studies on body recomps & fat loss and applied it to myself & clients to see what truly works.
I then experimented with different protocols not covered by studies such as dnp cycling, crash diets, enhancing sleep gh output, thermogenics for alpha receptors not just beta - I've been doing these experiments for over 10yrs.
In fact I've tested a chemical that is 3-5x stronger than dnp, but I'm still set in my ways right?

I'm not saying all this to sound impressive, I'm saying it to let you know that their is nothing you can teach me abiut fat loss. The only person who can come close to matching what I know & the results I get is 3J.

With that out of the way, I've decided to make you the first person to go on my ignore list - congrats
Out of respect to this board, I feel this is a more mature approach compared to making you look like a fool again & again.

 

[3J]

are all of you fucking retarded???

is this what you want to come up when some anti-steroid nut mom searches google for steroids??

that's great guys.. lets have people think steroid users are habitual drug users too.. thats going to make our reputation shine!!!


keep drug talk off the open forum.. im closing this thread