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big ferrigno

big ferrigno

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I'm eating 6 times a day but for some reason i'm not gaining one pound at all. Heres what i usually eat through the day
meal 1- bowl of oatmeal, vector cereal, 4 eggs, protien shake (23g protien)
Meal 2- 100 g's of pasta with any time of fruit
Meal 3- two cans of tuna with veggies
Meal 4- 3 hard boiled eggs and a dozen rice cakes with peanut butter
Meal 5- another two cans of tuna
Meal 6- usually two/three pieces of chicken (depending on how much money i have)
When i go to bed i have a protien shake with flax oil.
Throughout the day i drink water and eat about a cup of peanuts.
Right now i'm fluctuating between 210-215 and i wanna get to 225 by august, thats about four months. I know i can do it i just need help!!

I have a big paycheck coming and i might just get some N-large or creatine, but thats not till next week.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
 
Are you looking at adding just weight and size or do you want the weight gain to be in the form of some muscle and some bulk?

If you are looking at just gaining weight, add in more carbs, albeit in controlled amounts added to high protein meals to prevent spikes in your insulin levels and to also prevent fat storage.

If you want some muslce along with some bulk, then I would recommend that you look at the timing of your meals. Are they too far apart or too close together? Timing is key to our bodies processes, so making sure you space it out enough, but not too much, is imperative.

Remember, protein will not make you fat and will only allow you to gain weight in small amounts, so adding in a creatine compound or more complex carbs ito high protein meals is a good first step.
 
I'm looking to bulk up more, but i eat every 2 hours. I agree witht he comment on the creatine, and i think thats what i will do. What are some good complex carbs, what do you think i should add to it?
 
Creatine is definitely a good choice, but make sure that the product you choose is limited in the amount of added sugars and has Dextrose, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Glucorell, and other compounds to help mimic an insulin response to better shuttle the creatine and nutrients directly out of your blood and into the muscle belly.

I see that one of your meals is mainly only carbs - by eating only carbs, you cause your body to spike its insulin level, therefore turning on your fat storage, so add some protein and fat to Meal 2 - also fruit has no potential for energy and is a simple sugar that is immediatly stored as fat. Instead, take a multi-vitamin. If you need to eat fruit, eat only a banana for the potassium and inulin (helps boost our immune system) and oranges for the Vitmain C and antioxidants. For Meals 3,5, and 6 - you should add either a baked potato with real butter; whole wheat bread; a type of rice - not white; a yam or sweet potato; or some legumes (beans). By doing this, your glucagon and insulin levels remain steady, thus allowing you to continue to burn fat. Also, Tuna is an excellent source of protein, but you should add in more fish, like cod, halibat, catfish, etc... these are higher in the essential fatty acids that we need and will add in better quality protiens to your diet.

Eating every two hours is a good time frame to work within, but that meal 2 is nothing but carbs, so by the time you eat meal 3, your body is primed to store fat and you will not be in an anabolic environment.

Always be sure to balance all meals out (Zone Diet) with Protein, Fat (good fats), and complex carbs. Everything we eat has an hormonal response, so keeping our levels steady is the key to weight and muscle gain. Never eat carbs alone and you will be better off.
 
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Damn therm, I think you actually know what you are talking about. Good advice. You kept me from doing all of that typing.
Remember, if you bring vreatine into the diet - WATER WATER WATER.
 
Thanks - I've been a dietitian in the Sports Nutrition field for 17 years and have followed the lifting scene since about 1983. Glad I could help.

Yes, water is important with Creatine, but not too much or you will bloat. Water is only needed to prevent cramping during extended periods of exercise, when ATP conversion is needed to sustain energy - like running a marathon. For our purposes, just staying hydrated throughout the day and during your workout is good enough
 
hey therm, could you PM me like a diet that i could use for bulking. YOu seem to really know your stuff on the subject and it would be greatly apprecitated!
 
Since I am new, I don't feel so dumb as to ask what 'PM' is. I would be glad to assist you with a diet.

Give me some time, and I should have something for you on Monday.
 
I am unable to PM you, as I have yet to meet the minimum requirement.

I can respond in this forum if you like. If not, we can e-mail the responses.

Let me know.
 
some peeps gets REALLY bloated on creatine... just watch during you loading phase how yoiur body reacts !
 
it looks great man, and now that i have cash flow i should be able to start this diet on friday. I just have one question. Supplements, i'm ggetting glutatime, taurine and creatine. HOw can i mix this in with the diet?
 
Mix all the ingredients together and take the mixture 45 minutes before you workout and 45 minutes after. The glutamine will help with recovery and the taurine will assist the body with shuttling in the nutrients into the muscle belly and not your fat cells.

What type of creatine are you using? It should have dextorse, glucorell-d, and maybe alpha lipoic acid - all assit with getting the nutrients into the muscle via insulin mimicing action.
 
I'm using a creatine called Krush , i've tried it before and its great. THe taste is awesome and it has some of the elements that you talked about

I Just got alll my food and am now ready to start this improved diet, i'm pumped!!!!
 
Glad to hear it. Hope all works well, but remember that variety and the use of spices to season your food is essential for success. A lot of natural spices help with fat burning, insulin mimicing, and assist the immune system, which helps with recovery.

Good luck and keep me posted.
 
This may be hard to believe, but i already put on 3 pound with this new diet and being on creatine. My lifting has risen, and i haven't seen much fat gather, so couple more pounds to go.

I have another question, i'll have like chicken peices, (like a breast, thigh etc) then later on after a meal of say tuna i will have chicken fingers, is this keeping the protien different, or is it just the same.
 
As long as the protein is "clean" (not fried, etc...), then eating any one type is allowed. The variety is more for your tastebuds than it is for the diet.

Keeping your tatebuds in the diet is a key to success. Glad to hear that it is coming together. With what I have laid out for you, you should see very little to no fat gain, but you will see quality muscle being added.

Its amazing how the body responds to proper foods, proper amounts, adding in good fats, and timing.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
 
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