Dextrose and Multidextrin DIY

Lucky13

Cycle, test, HGH
Hi Guys

It's costing me a fortune buying Lucozade sport everyday, whats the cheapest way to make an energy drink..I know I can buy dextrose pretty cheap but I've heard it's bad to just drink dextrose on it's own...something about it dehydrating you due to osmosis..

Anyone recommend a good recipie for an energy drink ?

Thx :D
 
if you want energy before a workout, i recommend just having a big carb meal like oatmeal w/ some fruit beforehand. If you want liquid, just have some whey and maltodextrin.

200mg caffeine pills and 2g l-tyrosine 45 minutes-1 hour before a workout will really help as well.

Cant say ive read any issues about dextrose and dehydration...but if youre not drinking enough water youre going to be dehydrated anyway.
 
thx man but I was looking more for a drink, really just wanted to know where to get some dex and maltidex then the measurments also what about storage ? does the stuff degrade once mixed ?
 
the place in my sig sells malto and dex.

they also sell caffiene powder, which im assuming in an ingredient in most, or all energy drinks. if you want to go with my recommendation of l-tyrosine, they sell that too.

if you go with TrueProtein, id email them and ask about degrading issues, i have no idea.

ive never given it any thought, but if i had to make an energy drink for preworkout, id probably mix water, crystal light/SF koolaid/SF tang, dextrose, maybe some maltodextrin, caffeine powder, and l-tyrosine. Probably wouldnt taste too bad. Ive never used caff. powder so i dont know if it has a strong taste or not, the carbs dont affect the taste too much, and the l-tyro is pretty tasteless.
 
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Lucky13 said:
thx man but I was looking more for a drink, really just wanted to know where to get some dex and maltidex then the measurments also what about storage ? does the stuff degrade once mixed ?
I know where you are coming from bro. I buy both in bulk and I measure and mix my own drinks. I have not found it to degrade, but I usually do not mix a drink longer than a day In advance, because I also include creatine in them, which does degrade. As long as you keep the bulk of it stored airtight, it will last until you use it.
I just learned something cool lately about maltodextrin. They make it according to a dextrose index (DI) which helps determine its sweetness. A high DI (10) should mean that is is sweet enough not to have to use dextrose with it. High DI malto is the stuff that bakers use, not the stuff normally sold to bodybuilders.
Let the gates crash open as we figure this one out...
 
Hi Mate

I've read that it is really important to mix the dex with multidex, if u ever look at the ingrediants in the top sports drinks like Lucosade sport they always have both...sorry for the long post but if you read below it goes into more detail.


Importance of consuming a combination of Maltodextrin & Dextrose


After reading Old School’s excellent article on post workout nutrition, the reader is now aware of the importance of consuming easily digested, high Gl carbohydrates at this time. But the question is, why a combination of dextrose and maltodextrin? Both are high in Gl rating, and easily digested right? True, but there is more logic than Gl rating to stacking these two powerhouses. Read on for the answer.



Beginning with the first concept discussed called, “gastric emptying.” Our goal post workout is to maintain a prompt digestion rate so nutrients can transport swiftly and efficiently to our muscles. With that said, it has been shown that this process slows when the ingested fluid contains a high osmolarity concentration (the second concept studied). Osmolarity is dependent on the number of particles in a solution. That is, a100-milliliter solution with 20 glucose molecules will have a higher osmolarity then a100-millileter solution that only contains 10 molecules. The shorter chain length a carbohydrate has, the higher it raises the solution's osmolarity. Therefore, it is no surprise that a pure glucose solution (or dextrose, a monosaccharide) induces very high concentrations of solute (1,3,10).



Fortunately these negative effects become greatly reduced when the drink contains a glucose polymer stacked with dextrose. However, a carbohydrate that is easily digested, and has a high Gl is still desired. Hence, a combination of dextrose and maltodextrin is advised. Osmolarity will be decreased, and glucose will still enter the blood stream at a proficient rate, thus maintaining its anabolic nature (1,3).



A second factor concerning osmolarity must now be examined. From a clinical standpoint, it is vital to take into consideration the fact that plasma (the liquid portion of blood) has an Osmolarity of 300 mOsm. This means that if one were to inject a solution with a greater concentration of solute into their blood, it would cause water from inside their red blood cells to leave by Osmosis (water always travels down its concentration gradient) and move into the plasma, in turn shrinking the erythrocytes (red blood cells). This is because the cells are iso-osmotic to the plasma (both have the same concentration of solute) (11).



A similar concept can be applied to your post workout meal. If a competitor were to consume a solution that was hypertonic or had a higher concentration of solute then 300 mOsm, it could dehydrate them (showing why digestion is rightfully slowed in a high concentrated solution). The addition of maltodextrin once again solves this problem (2,13).



The next question is, why not just use maltodextrin, and eliminate dextrose since it is so proficient? Ah, once again it is not that simple. Shi. X et al. in an outstanding study, tested the digestive effects of two substrates (any substance acted upon by an enzyme) as opposed to only one substrate in the small intestine. What they found was quite fascinating. The solution containing two substrates stimulated the activation of more transport mechanisms in the intestinal lumen, than did its singular counterpart. Therefore, more carbohydrates were transported out of the small intestine (absorbed into the blood), which additionally aided a greater absorption rate of water into the blood stream (by osmosis). Thus, the higher activation rate of transport mechanisms, even with higher osmolarity facilitated faster energy uptake and hydration (12)!
 
I recently purchased 50 lbs each of malto & dextrose total w/ shipping was ~$95 ( http://www.store.honeyvillegrain.com ). About 35lbs fits in a 5 gallon bucket from home depot which is $5 + $2 for the lid. I then mixed 4 cups of each in 1 gallon of distelled water which you should heat, not to boiling, just so it mixes easier. I also added 2 packs of kool-aid and a teaspoon of salt. Afterward you'll have about a gallon + 16 oz. Now this isn't a sweet drink which I'm glad because I don't like excessively strong drinks. With my math in the end you'll have 12 grams of carbs per oz and 18mg of sodium per oz. That means that only 8 oz will give you 96 grams of carbs which is about 380 calories.. Of course if you want it sweeter use less malto and more dex. This is a pretty concentrated beverage and if you have a sensitive stomach you may water it down some if it gives gastrointestinal problems. I say this because I've read a 6% concentrate sol is max and this is more than that. By the way you average Gatorade has a little less than 2 grams of carbs per oz. I didn't really do the math but a gallon of water is a dollar all the other additives are only pennies. So compared to $1.50 for a 32oz Gatorade 32oz of this is about 27 cents. Of course if you want you could add caffine powder and maybe if its out there ( I haven't looked) potassium powder just a little for the electrolyte balance.
 
Wow some of you guys are over complicating the shit out of this.

Your worried about dehydration- Drink more water and dilute your energy drink.
 
Lucky13 said:
Hi Guys

It's costing me a fortune buying Lucozade sport everyday, whats the cheapest way to make an energy drink..I know I can buy dextrose pretty cheap but I've heard it's bad to just drink dextrose on it's own...something about it dehydrating you due to osmosis..

Anyone recommend a good recipie for an energy drink ?

Thx :D
If my mermory serves correct. 1g carb needs 3gms H2O for metabolize.
 
berealjohn said:
If my mermory serves correct. 1g carb needs 3gms H2O for metabolize.


Its actually ML as it is a liquid

And more approx 2.7 ml

However this means very little as we can pull water from subcutaneous areas to address this need. Something we do in the last week of contest prep.
 
DirkMoneyshot said:
Its actually ML as it is a liquid

And more approx 2.7 ml

However this means very little as we can pull water from subcutaneous areas to address this need. Something we do in the last week of contest prep.
True! mL is volume of liguid. And yes pullin that SC water always made my skin paper thin, mixed with proviron in the last days = hard as fuk!
 
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