Different Anti-E for Deca and Test?

jucieNjs

jucieNjs

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If I am understanding this correctly Deca and Test require to seperate types of anti E to prevent gyno?

I currently have gyno and want to try to keep it as small as possible.

I am taking
T4
Deca 3
Nolva
Femara

Do i need bromo or proviron??? The shit isn't going down.
 
Well according to a few bros. you would need RU-486, Bromo, or Dostinex to help combat again Deca/Tren progesterons affects.

As for test all you would need is an anti-a ex:.......Nolvadex, Arimidex, etc.........
 
Trust me bro, all you need is nolvadex. There is no such things as "progesterone gyno." Progesterone aggrivates estrogen side effects. If estrogen is blocked, progesterone cant rear its ugly head.
 
Well being that I have never seen anything that would suggest otherwise I will continue to believe that progesterone induced gyno is very real and unfortunately very hard to adequately combat...
 
ready2explode said:
Re-read this. After that, go find me a study mentioning gyno caused solely by progesterone. You're not going to find one because there isnt one...but you can try if ya like.
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I'm not really interested enough to dig for either one of our points(partly because my opinon on this is already formed...that and I am leaving work in 15 minutes :) )...perhaps hhajdo can post a study about it.
 
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=342&highlight=progesterone+gyno

This would seem to contradict it (although no defintive proof may exist...as far as medical studies goes) that does not mean it is not real. Dbol makes one grow tremendously, though not through the AR, so what mechanism does it work through...who knows?? Point is not everything can be backed up with absolute proof. (thus making these boards even more invaluable as you can get others first hand experiences along with your own).
I'm going to the gym now I'll try and dig more later :) .
 
Thx guys. both good info.

I have heard this debate a lot. At this point I am willing to go overboard just to make sure.

Anyone got a good site for bromo? Is there another name for it?
 
unfortunately, I got gyno from my first cycle. ACtually after the first shot of 2 ccs, I got puffy nips from the fina cart I had converted. I tried it again 2 weeks later and my left nipple definitely grew. Now I wont touch fina, and I wont try deca cause fina is derived from nandrolone.

There is nothing you can do to prevent gyno from tren or deca. But I think if you were sensitive to it, you would have gyno from the deca already. I got gyno from tren on the firs day. But I could be wrong. Bromo wont help you cause it is for prolactin.

RU 486 is hard to get, and the sides are said to be horrible. And the evidence on Winstrol (winny) is purely speculation. Winstrol (winny) didnt help me at all.

So if you already have gyno, I would use both femara and nolva.

If you dont have gyno and are worried about gettin fat, use the femera. If you are just worried about getting gyno, use the nolva.
 
Hhajdo would agree with me also. Here is a post copied from him at CEM:
Originally posted by hhajdo
It looks like it will take a long time for that myth to die...

Int J Androl 1984 Feb;7(1):53-60 Related Articles, Links


Prolactin secretion in the human male is increased by endogenous oestrogens and decreased by exogenous/endogenous androgens.

Gooren LJ, van der Veen EA, van Kessel H, Harmsen-Louman W, Wiegel AR.

There is evidence that prolactin may be involved in testicular steroidogenesis, and we have therefore investigated whether there is feedback regulation of androgens/oestrogens on prolactin secretion in the human male. To assess this we have measured basal and TRH-stimulated prolactin levels in: Six eugonadal men before and after 2 weeks' administration of the aromatase inhibitor delta'-testolactone, which led to a fall in oestradiol levels with unchanged levels of testosterone. In these patients, prolactin levels decreased. Six eugonadal subjects before and after 6 weeks' administration of dihydrotestosterone undecanoate. In these subjects, prolactin levels decreased. Six agonadal subjects, tested after 12 weeks' treatment with dihydrotestosterone undecanoate and compared to: Six agonadal subjects who received no sex steroid treatment. Again, it was found that dihydrotestosterone treatment decreased prolactin levels in patients from Group C. Six eugonadal subjects were also studied before and after 6 weeks' administration of the androgen receptor antagonist, spironolactone, and this treatment increased Prl secretion. It is concluded that in the human male, endogenous oestrogens increase prolactin secretion whilst exogenous/endogenous androgens decrease prolactin secretion
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He goes on to explain:
Originally posted by hhajdo
That bromo+fina doesn't make much sense since PRL secretion in males is generally decreased by androgens.
If PRL is increased on a cycle which contains AS that aromatize, it could be controlled by using SERMs or aromatase inhibitors.
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Here jgunz explains it again for you:

Originally posted by jgunz
...progsterone is merely a part of a coordinated effort of hormones that MUST BE PRESENT in order for gyno to occur. Prolactin cannot be simply elevated and poof,here comes gyno. Estrogen must be present, which is the pathway through which most documented gyno occurs.
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Heres another one by Hhajdo explaining things

Originally posted by hhajdo
I've never heard of anyone having problems with lactation on tren only cycle.
Studies I've seen indicate that both progestins & androgens lower PRL.
I consider PRL increase on a tren cycle very unlikely, it's hard to make a conclusion when people run several other drugs along with it.
Tamoxifen still seems to be the best solution if you're worried about gyno, since it will block estrogen and reduce IGF-1 at the same time.
It can also be effectivly used during a cycle which contains aromatizable AS to prevent PRL increase induced by elevated estrogen.
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Again from jgunz...

Originally posted by jgunz
Please... The onlyproven treatment for gyno has been estrogen antagonist/agonists like Nolvadex, clomid, and similar drugs. Nolvadex by far has the most science behind it. Herbal remedies and bromocriptine have never been proven.
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Seems that macro is the only one who is stickin' with bromo...but even then heres a post of his
Originally posted by macro
use of tamox is fine, but some (likely many) will respond better to the addition of a dopaminergic..

actually the use of an aromatase inhbitor, a SERM and prolactin inhbition in varying degrees is likely the "best" approach...
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