Do steroid lose effect as the body get 'used' to them or is it our max potential???

[69thelememt]

Can't really find and decent answer on this one and I can see reasons why and why not on both sides.

do steroids loss the effectiveness as our bodies receptors become used to their presence? or is it simply the case that cycle by cycle if you are getting bigger, it simply becomes harder to grow as you come close to or push your bodies natural boundry??

People say that your first cycle is always going to be your biggest and best and also the need to start on low doses and work your way up which probably argues for the lose effectivness side of the arguement.

Though people on the other side argue how pro's stay on all year round within a similar dose range and don't stop growing, and that the receptors regrow and renew every few months anyway regardsless of any downgrading even if that occurs.

Reason I'm asking this question is because I'm currently at 20% BF and looking to trim a bit off before my next bulk cycle, which I'm now ready for time off wise. I was thinking if the amount of cycles you've got under you belt has no baring on the next cycles effectiveness if your at the same starting point in terms of natural limits, I could just do at cutting cycle then onto a bulk, or a super clean cycle with test P, anavar and maybe a little tren instead of waiting around an extra amount of time when I could be on cycle

 

[Bullseye Forever]

IMO the "Slow and Steady" cycles yield more results and you keep more of your gains from these type cycls than you do by using ungodly amounts of gear for 10-12 weeks,i dicussed this with one of the senior mods on here,and he was explaining the slow and steady cycles to me,and i also like this course of cycle running,

I would rather run moderate doses,for longer cycles,than to run high doses for shorter cycles,you keep more of your gains doing it this way from what ive learned and talking with alot of people who do this type

 

[jadakiss]

I have a ? How many cycles do u consider ok for a person to a yr that u consider safe?

 

[Bullseye Forever]

I have a ? How many cycles do u consider ok for a person to a yr that u consider safe?

i would say 2 if you consider the compounds you use,and your recovery time,blood test etc..depends on how your body reacts and how your blood test are,thats the most important things to consider,health comes first!!

 

[DADAWG]

Can't really find and decent answer on this one and I can see reasons why and why not on both sides.

do steroids loss the effectiveness as our bodies receptors become used to their presence? or is it simply the case that cycle by cycle if you are getting bigger, it simply becomes harder to grow as you come close to or push your bodies natural boundry??

People say that your first cycle is always going to be your biggest and best and also the need to start on low doses and work your way up which probably argues for the lose effectivness side of the arguement.

Though people on the other side argue how pro's stay on all year round within a similar dose range and don't stop growing, and that the receptors regrow and renew every few months anyway regardsless of any downgrading even if that occurs.

Reason I'm asking this question is because I'm currently at 20% BF and looking to trim a bit off before my next bulk cycle, which I'm now ready for time off wise. I was thinking if the amount of cycles you've got under you belt has no baring on the next cycles effectiveness if your at the same starting point in terms of natural limits, I could just do at cutting cycle then onto a bulk, or a super clean cycle with test P, anavar and maybe a little tren instead of waiting around an extra amount of time when I could be on cycle

people running prop for a cutter and eth or sus for a bulker is internet bullshit , diet controls if its a cutter or bulk cycle not they type of gear .steroids have very very little actual effect on losing fat , steroids main job in a cycle is to maintain lean mass while in a calorie defecit.

 

[Trainwrek]

I'm going to agree with the slow and steady wins the race. Since test is test and works the same Diet is King. I've found that after I stopped doing 8-10wk cycles and pushed my cycles out to 12-16wks that I tend to keep a few more lbs on each cycle than I had previously.

 

[frankzanefan]

people running prop for a cutter and eth or sus for a bulker is internet bullshit , diet controls if its a cutter or bulk cycle not they type of gear .steroids have very very little actual effect on losing fat , steroids main job in a cycle is to maintain lean mass while in a calorie defecit.

Totally agreed.

I have been on since March 2010. I used a cutting diet beginning in april - june and lost about 25 lbs for summer....hovering around 240.

ramped up my diet for mass beginning in august - december...jan 1 was at 280. Gear was the same except i utilized tren during my cutting and deca rest of the time with my test.

Still have abs...probably around 12% bf. My icon picture on the left is me this summer around 245.

Diet is everything.

 

[weights=life]

Totally agreed.

I have been on since March 2010. I used a cutting diet beginning in april - june and lost about 25 lbs for summer....hovering around 240.

ramped up my diet for mass beginning in august - december...jan 1 was at 280. Gear was the same except i utilized tren during my cutting and deca rest of the time with my test.

Still have abs...probably around 12% bf. My icon picture on the left is me this summer around 245.

Diet is everything.

yeah bro you clearly know whats goin on in this game. you look good, keep up the hard work brother.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Totally agreed.

I have been on since March 2010. I used a cutting diet beginning in april - june and lost about 25 lbs for summer....hovering around 240.

ramped up my diet for mass beginning in august - december...jan 1 was at 280. Gear was the same except i utilized tren during my cutting and deca rest of the time with my test.

Still have abs...probably around 12% bf. My icon picture on the left is me this summer around 245.

Diet is everything.

you hadnt come off at all since March?

 

[69thelememt]

HaHa ok all answers seem great but not realy answering the question is was looking for, I'm not asking if an 8 week blast is better than a 12-16 week slow and steady, I'm asking, Do steroid lose effect as the body get 'used' to them or is it our max potential (long term, cycle to cycle)???

 

[China_Wall]

the answer to your question is... no... there is no getting used to gear, but there are "know-it-alls" out there that claim "receptors can become immune to gear"... borrowing a line from Dawg, that is also "internet bullshit"

 

[69thelememt]

cheers me old china...I was talking to an old mate of mine at the gym who's...well massive...he was saying that the body does get used to the steroids being present in the body just like any other medicine....any other views

 

[DADAWG]

cheers me old china...I was talking to an old mate of mine at the gym who's...well massive...he was saying that the body does get used to the steroids being present in the body just like any other medicine....any other views

there are changes in the body over time during a cycle but you dont become immune.

one of the reasons people think their receptors are shut down [ lol ] is that they start a cycle and after 6-10 weeks they quit gaining but if you quiz them about their diet it turns out that they were still eating axactly the same at say 220 as they were at 200 before the cycle . the problem with that is that at 220 pounds you need more calories and protein to grow than you did at 200 pounds = the bigger you get , the more food you will need to grow.

 

[69thelememt]

ok so for aguements sake then believe me this is not the case with me!!!!

say if someone did 3 cycles and gained 15 lbs off each so they where 45lbs up....then he went in a comma for 5 years and lost the 45lbs....would his next cycle back on be as successful as the first???

The reason I ask is that I'm currently at 20% BF and looking to trim a bit off naturally to around 12-16% before my next bulk cycle, which I'm now ready for time off wise. I was thinking that if the amount of cycles you've got under you belt has no baring on the next cycles effectiveness and how big you can possibly get. I can smash a cutting cycle to fuck the fat off retain more muscle, following proper protocal, get back on a bulk cycle propably within the same amount of time

 

[DADAWG]

ok so for aguements sake then believe me this is not the case with me!!!!

say if someone did 3 cycles and gained 15 lbs off each so they where 45lbs up....then he went in a comma for 5 years and lost the 45lbs....would his next cycle back on be as successful as the first???

The reason I ask is that I'm currently at 20% BF and looking to trim a bit off naturally to around 12-16% before my next bulk cycle, which I'm now ready for time off wise. I was thinking that if the amount of cycles you've got under you belt has no baring on the next cycles effectiveness and how big you can possibly get. I can smash a cutting cycle to fuck the fat off retain more muscle, following proper protocal, get back on a bulk cycle propably within the same amount of time

to many variables to say for sure but yes you should make big gains.

 

[frankzanefan]

you hadnt come off at all since March?

correct...i have been on for 10 straight months...loving it.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

correct...i have been on for 10 straight months...loving it.

wow brother,how often have you had your bloods checked and what results have you had from your blood test and gains you have gotten from that long on,are you still gaining? im wondering cause im your age and close to your weight and im in week 16 of my test/deca and was gonna extend my cycle a few more weeks,cause ive just started seeing ssome pretty good gains the last month

 

[69thelememt]

there are changes in the body over time during a cycle but you dont become immune.

one of the reasons people think their receptors are shut down [ lol ] is that they start a cycle and after 6-10 weeks they quit gaining but if you quiz them about their diet it turns out that they were still eating axactly the same at say 220 as they were at 200 before the cycle . the problem with that is that at 220 pounds you need more calories and protein to grow than you did at 200 pounds = the bigger you get , the more food you will need to grow.

Nice one dowg!! I know that during a cycle a bit is lost though I'm more on about cycle to cycle. I.E everyone says that ''your first cycle is gonna be your biggest so dont waste it'' or ''don't take too much gear straight away or you'll always need more each time'' both these statements mean that steroids would lose some effect each time you cycle???

 

[China_Wall]

Nice one dowg!! I know that during a cycle a bit is lost though I'm more on about cycle to cycle. I.E everyone says that ''your first cycle is gonna be your biggest so dont waste it'' or ''don't take too much gear straight away or you'll always need more each time'' both these statements mean that steroids would lose some effect each time you cycle???

no... steroids will not lose some effect each time u cycle if diet is dialed in (taking in enough calories to reach goal weight, enough protein as per your goal weight)

 

[69thelememt]

Yes with that in mind then
29 yrs old 6ft 7'' 265lbs lifting since they cut the cord, this will be my fourth cycle

1st cycle
weeks 01-10 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/wk
Week 5-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d

2nd cycle weeks 1-10
D-bol 30mgs/day
test e 500mg/week

3rd cycle
Weeks 1-8 - Test E/750/wk
Weeks 5-10 Tren A 140mg/EOD
Weeks 1-4 Winstrol (winny) 50mg/ED
Weeks 7-10 - Winstrol (winny) 50mg/ED

Well the time has come to cut down some for summer, I'm currently around the 20%BF mark and want to drop down to around 10 realistically and add an inch to my cock. Not bothered about adding any muscle really just maintaining and cut out the belly fat, as I haven't really seen my abs since my first cycle and I miss them

I want to stay away from tren this time round as the although i could propably get away with a lower dose, it did play round a little with my hair line though not to much, probably thinned out around a 1cm patch at the front of one of my arch's, so i'll probably save that for my next bulk and limit it to 50mgs ED. Plus the restless nights where becoming an issue, seemed like i'd only get 2 hours of disturbed rest a night, and the tossing and turning to be fair was pissing my nagging girlfriend of a bit bless her!!

Anyway this is my next propossed cycle though as I always do I like to ask my friends for advice before i kick off

weeks 1-12 test prop 100mgs EOD
weeks 5-12 Anavar 100mgs ED
Adex on hand if needed also nolva

T-3 start at 25mgs up to 100mgs weeks 1-10 last week ramp off

Clen cycle: weeks 1-10
1)20mcg of clen to start, tapering up no more than 20mcg every 3 days and going no higher than 200mcg
2) 1mg ketotifen nightly
3) 5g taurine daily
4) 200-400mg potassium daily
(might revert to the 2 weeks on 2 off protocal on this if i feel i need a break from the sides)

PCT

will be more agressive on this one
4 days after last shot
Week1: Nolvadex 40Mg/day
week 2: Nolvadex 40Mg/day
week 3: Nolvadex 20Mg/day
week 4: Nolvadex 20Mg/day
Clomid
Day 1 250 mg clomid
day2-11 150 mg clomid
Days 12-21 100 mg clomid
Days 21-28 50mg clomid

One of my questions on this one is for the inclusion of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) which this time round would be the first i've looked to incorperate it. Basically theres no way I can store it the stuff, I've got two kids ones almost 12 and I cant have that in my fridge. What I was tinking was if i got the 1500iu's amps and just straight used what I mixed would an inclusion like 1000iu x2/week do for the last 4 weeks of the cycle before PCT?? I'd just throw away the 500iu's left on each mix

Diet will be 2500-3000 cals with 350-400 grams protein with low carbs 6 days and 1 day load

cardio will be 4-5 times a week gym 45 mins HITT with the odd soccer game in the mix