Does Anyone Work 8+ Hours

[hard2gain]

Yea just because your under your calorie limit and losing weight, doesn't mean your losing fat. Especially for us bodybuilders, it's real easy to lose muscle and gain fat while losing weight on the scale.

 

[Solid Snake]

Im fortunate enough to have a job where most things fly as long as i get my work done. So every day around 11 and 2 i sneak off and reheate some chicken, oatmeal, veggies, or whatever it might be and have my meal. Lately ive been doing 3-4 meals at work just because Im bulking and dbol makes me hungry.

I make a bunch of food a couple of times throughout the week and throw it into a big lunchbox and haul that around with me every day. it gets expensive to eat big but it's what you have to do to get big.

 

[essays]

ok!!

so lets take this one step further..

do you believe that the IFFYM or IF system will ever be something that pro olympian bodybuilders will use to prep for a show?? lets say they can use the iffym for the off season.. what about 20 weeks out or less?

Well 3J, for one, Bodybuilding is not an olympic sport, so I don't know what a pro olympian would eat Hehehe

Anyhow to answer your question, at 20 weeks out, IIFYM could work. The closer you get to contest day, the less I would rely on it. By 12 weeks out, you would want to be on a full pre-contest carb cycling diet.

Let me ask you this, would you put the average person that just wants to either gain weight or lose weight on a 12 week out pre-contest diet designed for an IFBB pro? A proper pre-contest diet is a temporary thing designed for a temporary goal, or else there would be no "off-season".

 

[essays]

IIFIYM is a fools diet IMO.

You are welcome to your opinion brother, we obviously don't see eye to eye on this one. While a lot of guys see good results eating 6 meals a day, a lot of guys see good results with IIFYM, and a lot of guy see good results with intermittent fasting.

Find what works for you, and use it. For me, IF and IIFYM have been fantastic.

 

[3J]

Well 3J, for one, Bodybuilding is not an olympic sport, so I don't know what a pro olympian would eat Hehehe

Anyhow to answer your question, at 20 weeks out, IIFYM could work. The closer you get to contest day, the less I would rely on it. By 12 weeks out, you would want to be on a full pre-contest carb cycling diet.

Let me ask you this, would you put the average person that just wants to either gain weight or lose weight on a 12 week out pre-contest diet designed for an IFBB pro? A proper pre-contest diet is a temporary thing designed for a temporary goal, or else there would be no "off-season".

no i wouldn't

but you have already trapped yourself..

you said that food choices do have a positive and negative effect on the body at the same caloric intake

e.g. eating 3500 calories of macdonalds vs. eating 3500 calories of chicken, fish, ground turkey, beef, sweet potato, peanut butter, almond butter, olive oil.. etc.. will have an absolute different impact on your diet

what the IIFYM approach does not take into consideration is

1. food combinations that are synergistic
2. insulin control
3. bad lipid control
4. digestion time of foods and specific timing for eating them

when you put all these things in IIFYM philosophy you have what i teach my clients.. lol

IIFYM works because there is a correlation between how much you burn and how much you intake.. of course it will work

what im trying to say, esp for the body building world, that it is not the optimal way to do it..

some dumb kid is going to eat nothing but twinkies on this IIFYM and wonder why he isn't gaining muscle

put his ass on a clean 40/40/20 within his TDEE and see what happens..

in other words.. NOT ALL FOODS ARE CREATED EQUAL!!!

 

[essays]

in other words.. NOT ALL FOODS ARE CREATED EQUAL!!!

We are in absolute agreement here, and I suspect that we are actually in agreement on most things nutrition, besides the 6+ meals per day subject.

In reality, I practice IIFYM, but I eat extremely healthy food. I would also say that most people who take the time to literally count every calorie would probably also take in to consideration eating healthy foods. As a general rule, I am an IIFYM healthy eating fool, but I will have one cheat MEAL every so often, generally once a week. Note that's not "cheat DAY" but just one "unhealthy" type meal that I'm craving. I'd say this is probably pretty normal for any conscientious dieter.

I would never ever recommend someone gets on an IIFYM program and fills those macros with fast foods.

Oh, and in respect to 40/40/20, I don't really think that's optimal either. I pump the fats and drop the protein. I've never read a single piece of scientific literature that shows the benefit of eating over .8g per g of body weight. If you're on steroids, maybe more. To me, for a non-steroid-using healthy lifter, 40c/25p/35f is probably ideal. This allows for healthier food choices like chia seed, shelled hempseed/hemp hearts, quinoa, flax seed, fish of all kinds, fish oil supplements, nuts, etc. Guys love to neglect the fats, and when you're cycling on and off steroids, you should REALLY crank those healthy fats and watch your cholesterol.

 

[3J]

We are in absolute agreement here, and I suspect that we are actually in agreement on most things nutrition, besides the 6+ meals per day subject.

In reality, I practice IIFYM, but I eat extremely healthy food. I would also say that most people who take the time to literally count every calorie would probably also take in to consideration eating healthy foods. As a general rule, I am an IIFYM healthy eating fool, but I will have one cheat MEAL every so often, generally once a week. Note that's not "cheat DAY" but just one "unhealthy" type meal that I'm craving. I'd say this is probably pretty normal for any conscientious dieter.

I would never ever recommend someone gets on an IIFYM program and fills those macros with fast foods.

Oh, and in respect to 40/40/20, I don't really think that's optimal either. I pump the fats and drop the protein. I've never read a single piece of scientific literature that shows the benefit of eating over .8g per g of body weight. If you're on steroids, maybe more. To me, for a non-steroid-using healthy lifter, 40c/25p/35f is probably ideal. This allows for healthier food choices like chia seed, shelled hempseed/hemp hearts, quinoa, flax seed, fish of all kinds, fish oil supplements, nuts, etc. Guys love to neglect the fats, and when you're cycling on and off steroids, you should REALLY crank those healthy fats and watch your cholesterol.

the 40/40/20 was for sake of argument..

i agree.. never put a client over 300g protein myself.. i do like the range of 250-300g.

so it seems we are on the same page about all this for the most part..

good stuff..

 

[essays]

the 40/40/20 was for sake of argument..

i agree.. never put a client over 300g protein myself.. i do like the range of 250-300g.

so it seems we are on the same page about all this for the most part..

good stuff..

Preach on brother. I tell guys to seek out 3J for a reason

 

[juandohh]

thread of the month right here.

 

[bobbythebody]

In a shift?

I just got a call today that I start work tomorrow. The shifts are 8-9 hours long.

How do you eat 4 times while at work? Do you tell the bossman you are dieting? Won't it look bad if I am always back snacking every 2 hours? Do you cook 4 meals and pack it and take it to work with you? Or just gorge yourself before & after work?

How do you guys do it?

I'm work in healthcare so I work 12hr shifts. I cook and pack, use meal replacement, and I also cook at work. I work nights so I can set a formen grill and go to town....makes life so much easier.

 

[BeastinTheEast]

I'd just tell my boss my situation, if it's that big of a deal than he's just jealous you care about your body and health haha

 

[frweed]

Was wondering the same question, currently in job research but i guess ill be eating every break like a porc

 

[bcopp]

When bulking I would put my meals at 6-7 meals a day, but when school starts full time I will probably do less meals with more prot/carbs/fat per meal, that way i dont have to eat as often. Just bring water with you and youll get the food down fast. I could woof down 100gs worth of carbs in minutes if i have water to wash it down fast.

 

[sofargone561]

i work 8-16 hours a day 8-10 being the average. most nights i dont not get a break so i get no lucnhes and stuff. the worth part is its a desk job so i dont do any moving all damn day. its shitty bro i need to start eationg more at work

 

[rambo316]

get some MRPs and a shaker bottle and throw in some good quality protein bars.

 

[Loaded Gun]

So, how important is timing of meals? How important is it really to eat 5 or 6 times a day? There are times where it is absolutely not feasible to eat 5-6 times a day and meals get skipped. Sometimes caloric needs are not even met, I know for me sometimes can't help just getting in 1500 calories then its late and I'm too tired or whatever... then there are times where I don't have much choice but to eat fast food and get shitty food/calories... This must be the case for several people.

So, does anyone know what the real deal is on timing of eating and how often/#meals per day?

 

[Ketnar]

lol at people who think they have to eat every 2-3 hrs. Meal timing is irrelevant. Hit your cals and your macros and that is all.

If you like to eat 6x a day, then that's great - but you don't need to force yourself to if you don't want to.

 

[brother bundy]

work sucks

 

[G03ixxer6]

I bring multiple glad containers to work, I usually make 2-3 days worth of meals every couple of nights. Works great for me : )

That's the only way for a strict diet to work when you work a lot.

 

[3J]

lol at people who think they have to eat every 2-3 hrs. Meal timing is irrelevant. Hit your cals and your macros and that is all.

If you like to eat 6x a day, then that's great - but you don't need to force yourself to if you don't want to.

I completely disagree with this. You should do some real research