Thanks for the info Golfer! So far, on day 7, and yes only running 50mg eod, it's a really smooth run. Besides the minor sides from the tren, there is nothing negative to speak of. One thing that is strange to me is over the past few days my libido has gone thru the roof. Dbol causing that? Idk. I'm darn sure not complaining tho, lol. A little over a year ago I quit using intervenious heroin and suffered from a bad case of ED. Well I took 5mg cialis for about a year and now off the cia. I no longer suffer from ED. I stopped taking cia a couple months ago just to see if indeed I still needed it. I found out I don't, that's a money saved big-time! But yeah libido up here lately and my light saber works just fine. Again, I'm not sure why the increased libido, justt thought I'd share. Maybe the tren? Just not sure. Thanks for listening & for the feed back guys. I'm not running caber or prami as of now but my "coach" told me to have it on hand. I plan to possibly up dose of tren here in a couple weeks after Dbol used up. Strength thru the roof as well. Not lifting super heavy tho, rather high reps, lower weight. Noticing some vascularity, big-time in the gym.