Gear vs Anti-Depressants

[Teutonic]

D tone,

SSRI s sometimes work sometimes dont for me. And the sides can be just as bad as the illness.

Dbol alway s does it for depression and that well being I crave.

So far I ve had only limited windows of peaceful interaction with myself. 3, 6 , 8 months followed by a deep depressive or anxious episodes.

It s exhausting.

Trying out therapy though I have my doubts.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

I agree with my mississippi brother,ive been on them for 17 years and some days they work,sometimes they dont,and ive been on just about every one there is,SSRI's Tricyclic's,benzo's etc i tried'em all and they are no fix it all......them plus therapy is the best thing to deal with depression and anxiety so far,ive spent time in a hospital that deals with all this for like 3 weeks,and it was good while i was there,but when i left after a few days,i hit bottom again,its just a life i havet to deal with day by day,not easy at all...Tuetonic and I have alot in common

 

[dialtone]

Teut, you really need to figure out what's going on in your life that is causing your depression. Depression doesn't come out of no where. Being that you find relief when you're on cycle tells me that either you're cycle provides some structure and activity that you normally lack or the change in appearance boosts your confidence which you may lack as well.

 

[Teutonic]

It run s on my mama s family side...but since I was retired medically, lost a eye and took one in the knee, it s been a running battle with it.

In Miami I came out of the hospital on a host of opiates and 6 full mg s of xanax...3 college degree s and 12 yr s in and boom...gone. I also lost 2 yr s of my life to the dope...and a host of friends..a wife..

I think the doc s were trying to sedate me as my training and some comments made after several surgery...

In addition I ve had nothing but fkd up relationships and shit work.

When geared I was alway s better but I m on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now...do not plan on gearing up again...actually scared to....

It s not pretty in my head...

Was hoping to generate others stepping forward and the man from MS did...Bullie..I too am attending some one on one.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

It run s on my mama s family side...but since I was retired medically, lost a eye and took one in the knee, it s been a running battle with it.

In Miami I came out of the hospital on a host of opiates and 6 full mg s of xanax...3 college degree s and 12 yr s in and boom...gone. I also lost 2 yr s of my life to the dope...and a host of friends..a wife..

I think the doc s were trying to sedate me as my training and some comments made after several surgery...

In addition I ve had nothing but fkd up relationships and shit work.

When geared I was alway s better but I m on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now...do not plan on gearing up again...actually scared to....

It s not pretty in my head...

Was hoping to generate others stepping forward and the man from MS did...Bullie..I too am attending some one on one.

brother i know excatly whats up....mine consisted of 2 nervous breakdowns,a divorce,lost a career,because of a muti-million dollar company and satan as an ex wife,its been nearly 7 years since the divorce,and im still trying to really find who i am and to like myself again,but doing cycles seems to help me feel better about myself,i know in one since im doing something better for myself,training and trying to look good fo my age,it just seems that the gym,cycling and this forum are the only friends i have,my new wife of course,bit im talking about personal friends,guy friends.....i just hpe some day i find out who i am again i want to forgive myself,but i have to much rage,vengence,hostility and revenge in my heart for my past downfalls.

My new wife is helping me on the road back,but its slow,i was in a world of shit,and it didnt happen over night and i wont get better overnight....i just hope in time it will,and yea my brother from MS we gonna make it bro!!

 

[adrian2401]

Sorry to revive an old thread....but I currently take 50mg Zoloft daily for anxiety, as well as 1.5mg of Klonopin to help with sleep....

My question to Teutonic and Bullseye, do you guys know of a SUCCESSFUL way to wean off of these meds?

I am also on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with Maximus...

I want off of them bad....please help

 

[bigmike33]

Where do I start on this on I been in a straight jacket withdrew 8 atl cops escorting me one a hour ride for weeks of a stay at mental facility and two other times. And this is something im not proud of at all but it will always be a part of me. But I don't take anything and sometimes its tough bit I believe that I can over come anything with well power it may take someone to talk to or weeks and weeks pushing myself past it but it can be done I promise. And it run im my family and life is so short to be down I tell myself. If I told y'all what I was on u would freak out.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Sorry to revive an old thread....but I currently take 50mg Zoloft daily for anxiety, as well as 1.5mg of Klonopin to help with sleep....

My question to Teutonic and Bullseye, do you guys know of a SUCCESSFUL way to wean off of these meds?

I am also on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with Maximus...

I want off of them bad....please help

the best way is to go to your doctor and get him to help you wean off them slowly,other wise,its really tough

 

[bigmike33]

Bullseye is right let ur doc wing u off. I went cold turkey and wow it SUCKED

 

[adrian2401]

Bullseye is right let ur doc wing u off. I went cold turkey and wow it SUCKED

Bullseye, I tried that, but my doc is pro RX....and big mike...God Bless You man!!!

I know life can be tough and kudos to you for coming on here and sharing your story!

I too tried cold turkey and it was like I was living in a horror movie....absolutely unbearable desire.

Teutonic- U are correct...super tough to stop...

I used to be on 150mg of Zoloft and am down to 50mg...

I appreciate all of you guys advice! I love this board and I love how we all support each other here!!!!

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Bullseye, I tried that, but my doc is pro RX....and big mike...God Bless You man!!!

I know life can be tough and kudos to you for coming on here and sharing your story!

I too tried cold turkey and it was like I was living in a horror movie....absolutely unbearable desire.

Teutonic- U are correct...super tough to stop...

I used to be on 150mg of Zoloft and am down to 50mg...

I appreciate all of you guys advice! I love this board and I love how we all support each other here!!!!

brother sorry i couldnt help you anymore than i did,i wish you the best of luck though

 

[adrian2401]

brother sorry i couldnt help you anymore than i did,i wish you the best of luck though

Bullseye- You helped just by listening bro! And it's not all bad for me....I'm doing fine I just want to get off of the meds....at least I have cut them down a lot....TRT has really helped me to do that....Thanks again bro!

 

[Teutonic]

On top of your brain stem sits the GABA. It s very important in seratonin, endorphines, dopamine..etc release and it also play s a key factor in calming us down.

benzo s force the central nervous to calm the fuck down..xanax, ativan, valium and klonopin..in the order of strength and half lifes.

Long term use of benzo s, make this lil bugger not work like it did....like aas shut your testes down...they force the release of these calm down secretions thereby...ADDICTION.

Cold turkey can lead to a seizure....

Benzo s are the most overprescribed med in the western world.

You go slow..reduce your dose..incremently....every 10 day s to 2 weeks. say from 1.5 to 1.25 to 1.0.

You can stop reducing if your uncomfortable but you CANNOT go back up or the game starts over...read this in a British medical journal.

I m dtone will correct any of my ramblings if they are grossly out of bounds.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Bullseye- You helped just by listening bro! And it's not all bad for me....I'm doing fine I just want to get off of the meds....at least I have cut them down a lot....TRT has really helped me to do that....Thanks again bro!

man you are welcome,anytime!!!

On top of your brain stem sits the GABA. It s very important in seratonin, endorphines, dopamine..etc release and it also play s a key factor in calming us down.

benzo s force the central nervous to calm the fuck down..xanax, ativan, valium and klonopin..in the order of strength and half lifes.

Long term use of benzo s, make this lil bugger not work like it did....like aas shut your testes down...they force the release of these calm down secretions thereby...ADDICTION.

Cold turkey can lead to a seizure....

Benzo s are the most overprescribed med in the western world.

You go slow..reduce your dose..incremently....every 10 day s to 2 weeks. say from 1.5 to 1.25 to 1.0.

You can stop reducing if your uncomfortable but you CANNOT go back up or the game starts over...read this in a British medical journal.

I m dtone will correct any of my ramblings if they are grossly out of bounds.

i agree with my Miss brother,ive quit cold turkey with valium several times and the detox was hell,never had seizures but the effects was unbelievable,swore i would never start them again,but my dumbass when anxiety gets bad,i go right back to them everytime to this day,and they are my demons,but the only thing that will calm me down

 

[slair]

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i been on the anti depressant/anxiety med effexor xr since i was 18. My whole life until that point, i had depression issues, sleeplessness, trouble eating, nausea, anxiety around peers, etc.

I know everyone wants to demonize drugs and say that you don't need them.....but sometimes people just have chemical imbalances. Just like some people have very low testosterone without ever doing a cycle.

It sucks knowing that i may have to take this pill the rest of my life....but you know it does allow me to live a happy well adjusted life...which i dont know if it could be quite this good without. I think some people just biologically have chemical imbalances. Something that can't always just be fixed with talking to a psychologist (which ive done).

Anyways thats just my 2 cents!

 

[Shovel]

Lexapro and Valium here. Thank you PTSD...

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Lexapro and Valium here. Thank you PTSD...

yup me to Shovel been on Lexapro since it first came out and Valium 15 years

 

[cashout]

Guys, I mean absolutely no offense by this but this discussion is totally fascinating to me.

First off, I know nothing about these drugs and I've never had so much as a day's worth of sadness in my 42 year lifetime.

However, I see more and more of my students on these types of meds with every passing year.

I really wonder what types of events serve as the genesis of the types of feelings you guys are detailing.

I know someone mentioned PTSD. What about the rest of you guys? Can any of you all trace an event of origin for these feelings? Do you remember a time when you didn't feel as you do now?

Again, I mean no disrespect in any way. I am really just intrigued and it would be totally unprofessional for me to engage my students on these topics.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Guys, I mean absolutely no offense by this but this discussion is totally fascinating to me.

First off, I know nothing about these drugs and I've never had so much as a day's worth of sadness in my 42 year lifetime.

However, I see more and more of my students on these types of meds with every passing year.

I really wonder what types of events serve as the genesis of the types of feelings you guys are detailing.

I know someone mentioned PTSD. What about the rest of you guys? Can any of you all trace an event of origin for these feelings? Do you remember a time when you didn't feel as you do now?

Again, I mean no disrespect in any way. I am really just intrigued and it would be totally unprofessional for me to engage my students on these topics.

cashout my problems goes back to my childhood when i was 13 my parents got a divorce and it was really ugly,and i remember everthing that was said and everything,and in the years following my mom has always had nerve and anxiety problems and i inherited mine from her,i know it sounds dumb,but you can inherit this disease,ive always been a worrier

Ive always obsessed over everything,i would just sit and think up stuff to worry about,and i just cant help it,then i hear someone say something and i pick every word they say apart and analyze it to a t and think the worse of everything,I worry of guilt of things i done when i was growing up,still to this day i still worry about dumb things,trouble i got in etc and think somethings bad is eventually gonna happen to me,if i make a mistake now,its the same thing

my ex wife left me 6 years ago with my kids....just set me back further into depression,had 3 nervous breakdowns,and spent several weeks in therapy hospitals

and still to this day,i go to therapy once a week and physcotherapy twice a month with my shrink,its something hard to explain but i will be haunted by it the rest of my days,i just live 1 hour at a time,not a day but 1 hour at a time

My dad passed away last week,another bad thing in my life...another setback....it just keeps coming and i expect bad everyday but i cant help it,

I hope you can understand a little of what ive said brother

 

[cashout]

Bullseye thank you for taking a moment to respond. It will take me some time to digest the magnitude of what you wrote and I'm sure I'll have more questions but I wanted to thank you for sharing.