get big stay cut

doyoudo911

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im trying to bulk up for the summer. my friend whos on test keep telling me to get on some, but hes got a lil gut. he deff packed on some weight.

i wanna get bigger but i still wanna stay cut for the summer. any recommendations? i have been told tren a would work perfect for me. however it has HARSH side effects.

is there anything that will bulk me up and keep me cut as well??? or is tren a the only choice i got?
 
Have you ever ran a cycle b4 bro? Whats ur stats?
If u have some experience Test prop/Tren/var will work wonders but its not for a novice imo
 
Mate only diet is gonna get you cut. Diet makes it a bulk or a cutter.

Sound like its your first cycle, i wouldnt do anything else then bulk bulk and then bulk, because you only have one first cycle.

But ifs that you in the avatar, dont do aas, start training hard and eating rigth first. Otherwise your only gonna get side effects from any compound plus you have so much natural growing to do.
 
6ft
165lbs
18 yrs

is this a good beg. stack to get ripped? I kno im young but im just dying to get big quick

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Too young !!!!

Please read this; There's a very good possibility that most of this applies to you.

What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com the link is Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation

Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.


Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.

SCNTO gave you a good answer... and it sill good. right?
 
Hey Kane...you know how it goes....kids are gonna be kids and do what kids do. Whatever they want!
No matter what they hear from experience! They will keep asking until the answer they want to hear comes to them :nono:

I'm glad you found that and posted it Kane :bigok:
 
"I'm just dying to get big quick" lmao, for what? This is the typical kid that does a cycle and then disappears from the gym till the next cycle comes
 
Hey not saying he's not exagerating (b/c most are) But I know WHEN I LEARNED TO EAT....I gained 25lbs in a year from 19-20 without anything but Whey Protien and Creatine. No one was there to explain that you had to eat every 3 hours and have 4-5k per day...I finally read about eating in a muscle mag international and put it to work...LOL I was ripped at 170 and playing Division 1 baseball but couldn't put on wieght just small strength gains...I lifted my ass off but when i finally learned the magic of food I put on Lean weight fast and it stayed...This is why I know what the vets mean when they say you can grow like your on AAS without them when your this young. Don't use cuz you won't need to!!! With that being said this guy could have gained that weight in the last year so just saying "i call bullshit" is a form of bullshit...I know cuz I did it and have seen others that are young with a work ethic do the same when they discover the magic of proper nutrition.
 
Hey not saying he's not exagerating (b/c most are) But I know WHEN I LEARNED TO EAT....I gained 25lbs in a year from 19-20 without anything but Whey Protien and Creatine. No one was there to explain that you had to eat every 3 hours and have 4-5k per day...I finally read about eating in a muscle mag international and put it to work...LOL I was ripped at 170 and playing Division 1 baseball but couldn't put on wieght just small strength gains...I lifted my ass off but when i finally learned the magic of food I put on Lean weight fast and it stayed...This is why I know what the vets mean when they say you can grow like your on AAS without them when your this young. Don't use cuz you won't need to!!! With that being said this guy could have gained that weight in the last year so just saying "i call bullshit" is a form of bullshit...I know cuz I did it and have seen others that are young with a work ethic do the same when they discover the magic of proper nutrition.

Im 19, In the last year-year and half I gained almost 40lbs because I also learned how to eat. He was on here like a couple months ago and was 165.

I didnt say he couldnt gain 30 in a year, its 100% possible, I did say 30lbs in a couple months, naturally, and muscle....is bull shit.
 
lol hate to burst ur bubble...but ppl do age and gain weight


im 19
195lbs
6ft

Whats your stats?

Personally total body workouts dont work too good for me, certainly not at that ratio I would try to stick to basic compund movments.

But hey different strokes for different folks.

6ft
165lbs
body fat unknown but very low i think last time i checked it was around 12%

07-01-2008, 09:53 PM

Bawa says my dog... and after that he stole my tbone... har!! uggly story...

HHi Ozzy, Barnzy, how do feel today gentlemen? great! Ho Right!!!
 
So it was one year ago. you got fantastic evolution 911 i would stick natural if i was you... don't you think?
 
i have a hard tiem believing that your 195 because im 195 and alot taller then you and im sure alot bigger then you.


Anyways. its Imcredibly hard to bulk and stay cutt at the same time.

with that said its almost impossible to bulk and cut at the same time. your best bet is to EAT. focus on CALORIOES!! do this for 2-3 months then cut down .

Also while your bulking its good to do a little cardio that way you will not get super sloppy big.

my .02
 
19 years old? stay away from the gear dude... i started at 18 and regret every second of it.. like the other guys say.[. eat and eat and eat... cutting and bulking do not go together... one or the other... make sure your diet is clean bulking, don't thin you can eat just anything either.. make sure you're taking supplements, all your vitamins and eating every 2.5-3 hours... 6 meals a day..
 
this kid is full of crap read his post of when he first joined on here he doesnt know his stuff. he claims his liver is shot and hes not gonna take gear but here he is askin for advice.

my diet is poor compared to wat it USE to be

are there any supplements that would increase my hunger (that makes me wanna eat more and more...making me more Hungry??)
and i doubt his diet has gained him that much weight in 3months


http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/138352-my-friend-looking.html

also in this thread he talks about how he gained 20lbs of water weight not muscle
 
haha...this may sound ignorant but idrc bout my liver anymore..its already shot its prob rotting inside of me right now lol...my only concern is my heart rate has gone up since ive been off of it :/ ekkkk

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