Got Gear!!First Cycle give advice anything

Beatblue

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So I have went ahead and purchased my first cycle here is what I bought
Dianabol(SB Labs) 500x10mg tabs
3 Test Cypionate(Max Pro) 200mg 10ml vials
Nolva 30x20mg tabs
Mesterelone 50x25mg tabs


heres what the cycle looks lke
weeks
1-12 400mg Test C
1-4 Dianabol 40mg e/d
16 Mesterlone 50mg e/d
Nolva 20mg e/d
17-18 Mesterlone 50mg e/de
Nolva if need be

how does this look any changes you would make this is my first cycle I will be starting in May trying to bulk I am 5'10 and will be roughly 190lbs when I start. Do my numbers work I did it in my head Im pretty sure I got enough and does the post cycle therapy (pct) look good. I will also be spreading out the Dianabol every 6 hours during the day.
 
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So I have went ahead and purchased my first cycle here is what I bought
Dianabol(SB Labs) 500x10mg tabs
3 Test Cypionate(Max Pro) 200mg 10ml vials
Nolva 30x20mg tabs
Mesterelone 50x25mg tabs


heres what the cycle looks lke
weeks
1-12 400mg Test C
1-4 Dianabol 40mg e/d
16 Mesterlone 50mg e/d
Nolva 20mg e/d
17-18 Mesterlone 50mg e/de
Nolva if need be

how does this look any changes you would make this is my first cycle I will be starting in May trying to bulk I am 5'10 and will be roughly 190lbs when I start. Do my numbers work I did it in my head Im pretty sure I got enough and does the post cycle therapy (pct) look good. I will also be spreading out the Dianabol every 6 hours during the day.

what is ur post cycle therapy (pct) even, u have nolva but u say ur gonna use it on ur cycle if need be.. ull need it for after ur cycle for ur post cycle therapy (pct), and u may need more then 30 ,20mg tabs.
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So I have went ahead and purchased my first cycle here is what I bought
Dianabol(SB Labs) 500x10mg tabs
3 Test Cypionate(Max Pro) 200mg 10ml vials
Nolva 30x20mg tabs
Mesterelone 50x25mg tabs


heres what the cycle looks lke
weeks
1-12 400mg Test C
1-4 Dianabol 40mg e/d
16 Mesterlone 50mg e/d
Nolva 20mg e/d
17-18 Mesterlone 50mg e/de
Nolva if need be

how does this look any changes you would make this is my first cycle I will be starting in May trying to bulk I am 5'10 and will be roughly 190lbs when I start. Do my numbers work I did it in my head Im pretty sure I got enough and does the post cycle therapy (pct) look good. I will also be spreading out the Dianabol every 6 hours during the day.

I always thought that I could use Nolva as an anti estrogen as well, but while on cycle, but people have told me different. I am not firmiliar with Mesterlone, but grab some arimi-dex/plex or letro. Run it when you need to or if you can afford to run it the whole cycle I would. Spending an extra $150 to run it the full 12 weeks is better then spending $10k on gyno surgery.
 
I always thought that I could use Nolva as an anti estrogen as well, but while on cycle, but people have told me different. I am not firmiliar with Mesterlone, but grab some arimi-dex/plex or letro. Run it when you need to or if you can afford to run it the whole cycle I would. Spending an extra $150 to run it the full 12 weeks is better then spending $10k on gyno surgery.

Nolva is NOT an ANIT-E !!! its not even the same class.
it blocks estrogen in some sites like the breast but its NOT stopping/slowing the production of estrogen buildup in you body if it is gonna be an issue.
antiE/ Aromatase inhibitor (AI) = letro, amiridex ect.

Nolva = PCT. or at the very least used WITH an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if needed short term.

also the fact you dont even mention it shows you you need to do ALOT more reading and learning before you jump intothis.
 
Nolva is NOT an ANIT-E !!! its not even the same class.
it blocks estrogen in some sites like the breast but its NOT stopping/slowing the production of estrogen buildup in you body if it is gonna be an issue.
antiE/ Aromatase inhibitor (AI) = letro, amiridex ect.

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porkchop, lets not get insane brother. Nolva is a fine choice for gyno issues. You don't wanna completely, or mostly shut down your estro production while on cycle. Estro does alot of good things. Too little estro (Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, which means it doesn't allow you to produce any) and you are short changing yourself IMO. You said it yourself... IF its gonna be an issue. thats a big IF!!

The main reason people like AIs is because it helps with water retention, which can also be beneficial in gaining LBM.

Water retention is due to things such as unstable blood serum levels, but also poor diets and lack of H2O.

I feel the BBing community is getting too far into the lets take this cause we may get this or that syndrome. IMO, simple is better.
 
I agree that nolva is acceptable for prevention of gyno. I wouldn't run proviron beyond the last injections because it may interfere with recovery (PCT). Generally I wouldn't recommend stacking in your first cycle but other than that I think the cycle looks fine.
 
(Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, which means it doesn't allow you to produce any)

sorry RJ-but that is just not what suicide inhibition means.

Aromasin

(Exemestane)


Aromasin is a steroidal aromatase inactivator used to lower circulating estrogen. It was developed to help fight breast cancer as estrogen plays a role in the growth of cancer cells. Aromasin binds irreversibly to the aromatase enzyme. This suppresses the conversion of androgens into estrogen. Circulating estrogen can be reduced by nearly 85% in women using Aromasin. A common misconception is that aromatase inhibition is similar in men than women. However in trials when males were administered 25mg of Aromasin daily maximal estradiol suppression of 62 ± 14% was observed at 12 hours. Aromasin acts as a false substrate for the aromatase enzyme, and is processed to an intermediate that binds irreversibly to the active site of the enzyme causing its inactivation, an effect also known as "suicide inhibition." In other words, Exemestane, by being structurally similar to the target of the enzymes, permanently binds to those enzymes, thereby preventing them from ever completing their task of converting androgens into estrogens. When we compare this mode of action against other AI’s the benefit becomes clear. Arimidex can unbind from the aromatase enzyme when you stop taking it but Aromasin will not therefore there is less chance of estrogen rebound with Aromasin.
Aromasin can be employed during a steroid cycle when aromatizing compounds such as testosterone are administered in order to control estrogen from getting out of control. During the course of a typical steroid cycle estrogen can rise quite high. Estrogen has been measured as much as 7 times higher than normal in men on steroids. This is excessive and can potentially cause water retention, gynecomastia (the formation of female breast tissue) or benign prostatic hyperplasia. Therefore in order to avoid these side effects estrogen must be controlled.

Aromasin not only lowers circulating estrogen and sex hormone binding globulin but it also increases free testosterone by a whopping 117%! Total testosterone increases about 60%. Check out the performance of Aromasin after just 10 days of treatment in males.




FIG. 1. Estrogen and androgen plasma levels after 10 d of daily exemestane (25 or 50 mg) in healthy young males (mean ± SD; n = 9–11). To convert to Systeme International units: estradiol, picomoles per liter (x3.671); estrone, picomoles per liter (x3.699); androstenedione, nanomoles per liter (*0.003492); and testosterone, nanomoles per liter (x0.03467).

Aromasin may be used during a steroid cycle with aromatizing compounds and during post cycle therapy (pct) to help keep the estrogen to testosterone balance in favor of testosterone. Out of all the medications to control estrogen, Aromasin seems to be the most well balanced. It raises testosterone slightly better than Arimidex and lowers estradiol about 12% better than arimidex in men and is likely to cause less estrogen rebound than Arimidex. Keep in mind that 50mg of Aromasin daily kept estradiol in the normal range for men so if you think using an aromatase inhibitor will crush estrogen too much this science supports the opposite. From the data I have read and my years of experience with this medication 25mg of Aromasin every other day is a good starting point on moderate doses of testosterone. If testosterone doses are raised then 25mg daily may be needed to control estrogen. Since either high and low estrogen can cause side effects such as low libido only labs can determine the appropriate dose of Aromasin.

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