Help Me Finalize My Cycle Doses: Test, Tren, DBol, Arimidex, Prami, Nolva, Clomid

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Surfgod

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So i am going to start a four to five month cycle and unsure about the ancilllary doses and my own. This is what Im doing:

Genomex Sustanon: (250mg/ml) 500mg twice a week

Genomex Tren E: (250mg/ml) 250mg twice a week

Genomex Dbol: 80mg a day for first month

Armidex: .25mg in morning then at night. I dont know anything about this. If its sold as 1mg do I use a splitter?

Prami: Got no idea (BTW my dealer doesnt sell this. Is it legal to order online in Canada?)

HCG: Got no idea what dose is or when to start it.

PCT

Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

Clomid: Got no idea

Thanks for any feedback.
 
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Ok I've got a few questions...
You said test 500mg twice a week, is that a 500mg dose split or your shooting 1000/wk?
You didn't say how long you were running each compound. Run the test a little longer than the tren and be careful about how long you stay on the tren. That shit is rough on the body.
What is your cycle history bro? Just making sure you are ready for the tren because it is not at all for beginners.
 
Yeah, wow, that's a lot of gear. I'm reading that as a gram of test and 1/2 gram of tren per week. I would never run 80mg of Dbol, my liver is whimpering just from reading that. How long do you plan to run this? What's your age and cycle history?
 
Personally, running that much gear: drop the dbol! The dbol will cause you to retain water regardless of how much Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you take ( it does with me at least ) and is hard on your liver! The Tren will harden up the gains from the Test, and give you better vascularity....it also has some nasty sides tho.

Have you used Tren before? Even if you have several cycles under your belt, that is a LOT of gear to be pumping into yourself.....of course, I'm one to talk ....some of the guys here would shit themselves if I told them my weekly dosages...but I've been doing this for a bit, and already know how my body reacts to the different gear...
 
Agree with the posters above. 1 GRAM of test and 500mg of tren WITH 50mg of dbol is a TON of AAS, do you really need this much to grow? I can understand if you're like 280lbs, but even then - you could probably get away with half that test and nix the dbol unless you really want to use it.

To your questions:
1. Arimidex has a pretty long half-life, so taking 1mg ED is WAY too much. You can buy a pill splitter at just about any pharmacy or even online at places like amazon. I wouldn't go above .5mg EOD unless you're gyno prone or are carrying a bit of extra body fat. I would still strongly recommend getting a blood test 5 weeks in just to make sure you're not crushing your estrogen. Bringing that back up is MUCH harder and time consuming than dropping it down.

2. Pramipexole can be purchased at RUI for your research needs. Start at .25mg EOD or E3D for a week at night with food. Then bump it up to .5mg EOD/E3D and see how you feel. Getting semi-hard erections is an early warning sign that you need to bump up your dose. I haven't had to go above .5mg EOD on a pretty hefty dose of tren, so I'd imagine you could probably get away with that or less.

3. I'll leave the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) discussion for other guys as I've never felt compelled to use it.

4. You can find good rules of thumb for clomid doses in the stickies, so I'll leave that to your reading pleasure.

Note: If this is your first run with tren, I STRONGLY suggest you opt for Tren acetate instead of enanthate just in case you can't handle the sides and want to abort ASAP. I'd rather deal with a week or so of hell than 4-5 weeks personally. ;)

My .02c :)
 
Halfwit, it's even worse than what you said. He said 80mg of Dbol, not 50. God, my liver is whining again just from typing that. I'm staying out of this one until we know more about this guy, but truth is, I've never ran that much gear so I don't really have anything to add anyways. If he's 19 and this is his first cycle, I'm going to invite him over for dinner.
 
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Halfwit, it's even worse than what you said. He said 80mg of Dbol, not 50. God, my liver is whining again just from typing that. I'm staying out of this one until we know more about this guy, but truth is, I've never ran that much gear so I don't really have anything to add anyways. If he's 19 and this is his first cycle, I'm going to invite him over for dinner.
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Well, he's been a member since 2006, so I'd hope he's a bit older than 19. ;) Believe it or not, I've seen some guys that can handle that much dbol, but I agree - my liver is in tears just thinking of tren (which is SUPER toxic) combined with dbol. I'm more of an adrol guy anyway. :D (Yeah, just as toxic, but way less estrogenic sides in my experience)
 
Hmm, yeah, didn't catch than, since 2006 with 300+ posts, that is a good sign. If he's run cycles like this before maybe he can teach us a few things, (me anyways).
 
Personally, I would not run 500mg of Tren for five months. Tren is hard on the blood. If its close to properly dosed your liver will be jacked up in less than 12 weeks (even running liv 52 or equivalent support), you HDL and LDL will both look like total shit. This coupled with the dbol kick start is going to do a serious number on your liver. Personally I would reconsider the length of the Tren portion of this cycle.

With that said, I think your only remaining question is regarding HCG. If your running that much test for that long I would sart at the beginning of the cycle as opposed to blasting at the end. I like 500, 2X a week. This is just me. I see some guys as low as 250.
 
Okay thanks for the messages and I apologize for reposting as my last topics were on several things and I want to finalize it. I'm 34 and run six cycles now with Tren on twice. I've done Dbol at 80mg before no problem. The only side effect I had was bloody noses from high blood pressure. I'm trying to sort out the perfect cycle using perfect diet and anciallaries which I havent done before. I may be only doing one more cycle (this one) before I start a job that wont allow it which is why I'm doing more than normal. I could always cut the Tren to three months and Dbol to 40mg.

I was told in a previous thread .5mg three times a week for Arimidex so I was gonna do it EOD. As for the Prami, you said you can get RUI for research purposes. How does that work and is that a site?
 
RUI is a board sponsor They have a banner up top. Be very careful with prami it makes me sicker than a whore in rehab! It reduces prolactin that tren can cause which can lead to some nasty sides, which usually starts with not fully hard boners.
 
The whole idea of taking Prami was so I didnt lose any libido with Tren. If I cant get Prami I was gonna drop the Tren completly and make it a big Sustanon cycle only besides the first month Dbol.
 
Surfgod said:
So i am going to start a four to five month cycle and unsure about the ancilllary doses and my own. This is what Im doing:

Genomex Sustanon: (250mg/ml) 500mg twice a week

Genomex Tren E: (250mg/ml) 250mg twice a week

Genomex Dbol: 80mg a day for first month

Armidex: .25mg in morning then at night. I dont know anything about this. If its sold as 1mg do I use a splitter?

Prami: Got no idea (BTW my dealer doesnt sell this. Is it legal to order online in Canada?)

HCG: Got no idea what dose is or when to start it.

post cycle therapy (pct)

Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

Clomid: Got no idea

Thanks for any feedback.
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Alright well lets attack this piece by piece.

First off do you have past experience with dbol? Unless you do and you didn't respond much then 80mg is most likely going to produce similar results to 30-50mg only with more sides.

Second, a good general starting point for Arimidex is .25mg per aromatizing substance. You have two when you start off so .5mg should be plenty, though it should still be adjusted to fit your needs. If you are having oestrogenic sides then add more, if you are feeling lethargic and moody then you're going to want to cut back on it as this is likely a result of depleted oestrogen levels. Be careful to note this when you discontinue dbol use as there will be much less oestrogen aromatization at this point.

Third, and most importantly your post cycle therapy (pct), however I will first quickly address hCG. hCG is a fertility drug that mimics the actions of luteninizing hormone. It should be started when androgen levels are low in your system, if it is started when androgen levels are high then it will simply be a waste as you are still suppressed at this point in time. A typical dosage period is 2-3 weeks.

My recommendation for your post cycle therapy (pct) would be to follow Dr. Michael Scally's "HPGA Normalization Protocol". This protocol was shown to restore androgen levels in 19 males back to normal ranges within 45 days after a 12 week cycle of Test C and Deca. The protocol is as follows and provided the substances you are using you would begin this protocol approximately two weeks after your last injection.

Day 1 - 20 (hCG 2000iu Every other day, Clomid 50mg twice per day, Nolvadex 20mg twice per day)
Day 21 - 30 (Clomid 50mg twice per day, Nolvadex 20mg twice per day)
Day 31 - 45 (Nolvadex 20mg twice per day)

Best of luck,
Parker.
 
Thanks Nosy Parker thats an informative answer and finalizes it for me for PCT. I've done 80mg Dbol last two cycles. So cutting back 20mg wont affect it much then your saying.

For main, If I'm doing a 2:1 ratio for Test to Tren will the libido still continue? Cause I cant find anyone who sells Caber/Prami and dont know about ordering online. Lets say I drop the Tren what would be another good add that wont cause Prolactin? Winstrol?
 
Surfgod said:
Thanks Nosy Parker thats an informative answer and finalizes it for me for PCT. I've done 80mg Dbol last two cycles. So cutting back 20mg wont affect it much then your saying.

For main, If I'm doing a 2:1 ratio for Test to Tren will the libido still continue? Cause I cant find anyone who sells Caber/Prami and dont know about ordering online. Lets say I drop the Tren what would be another good add that wont cause Prolactin? Winstrol?
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RUI has prami if you're lucky like me and don't get sick from it. You could add masteron, but it's hard to beat tren imo.
 
Surfgod said:
Thanks Nosy Parker thats an informative answer and finalizes it for me for PCT. I've done 80mg Dbol last two cycles. So cutting back 20mg wont affect it much then your saying.

For main, If I'm doing a 2:1 ratio for Test to Tren will the libido still continue? Cause I cant find anyone who sells Caber/Prami and dont know about ordering online. Lets say I drop the Tren what would be another good add that wont cause Prolactin? Winstrol?
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Glad I could be of help Surfgod.

Correct, cutting back Dbol from 80mg to 60mg shouldn't reduce gains much, however it should reduce unwanted sides. Due to the law of diminishing returns it just comes down to a ratio of mass increase:sides effects. That being said, most people tend to top out at around 50mg with Dbol, this is, in effect, where they start seeing more sides as a result of increasing dosages than increases in gains. You'll see dosages up to 100mg of Dbol for bigger guys/non responders, but that in itself is an extreme.

Was it the same source for the Dbol in the past and how were the sides? Just seems more likely that if you weren't having a lot of sides at 80mg that you were sold bunk under-dosed Dbol.

As for libido, this all is going to depend on genetics. However, for the majority of people a 2:1 ratio of test to tren would be more than ample to keep libido up; in fact for most people a 2:1 ratio of test to most libido killing drugs (tren, deca, you name it) will leave them feeling like porn starts. Your libido should be fine, save the winnie for when you are cutting.

Best,
Parker.
 
Alright man, let us know how that goes for your. 60mg, again, should be ample as it is still a relatively high dose. As for legal issues, I am not from Canada so this is only my understanding, but possession of aas is legal. However, all forms of buying and selling are illegal.

As for how long something will last, that's for you to do that math man. Just divide the total amount of mg per bottle by the mg of a dose.
 
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