high bp

[thepeg]

being big has got its downfalls, the last month i have taken
25 mg d-bol a day
1000mgs test a week
approx 1000mgs fina a week
gained about 10-12 pounds in 1 month
started having headaches high bp 3 days ago
about ready to pass out today at work had to get in in see doctor at 11 today he prescribed norvasc to bring it down refered me for a cardiac exam and a Utrasound for kidneys. i quit the d-bol as soon as i got the high bp, i had planned on stoppingd-bol at one month anyway, if their is any truely knowledgeable people online can u give me your opinion on cont cycle. if fina is part of the problem or was it just the rapid weight gain along with no cardio. i have a history of high bp 15 yrs ago, but not since i stopped being a fat ass and strated working out i'm 37 yoa weigh 290 6-02 approx 12-14% bf.

 

[mdagz]

im no expert but... all the gear you are taking has the posibility of giving you the high blood pressure especially at the dasages you are taking. If it were me, i would drop the dbol and see if it gets any better if not i would consider lowering the dosages a lil and see if that helps.

 

[buffdoc]

Stone Cold NTO can weigh in on this one.
Bro, I'd chill on the cycle until you get your BP under decent control, and other causes are ruled out (cardiac/renal disease).
Once BP's under control, proceed with caution. Try a single drug regimen at a reasonable dose; that doesn't include 2 grams a week, with your problem.

 

[thepeg]

since u are a doc, can u tell me approx how long for the drup to help with my bp. i appreciate the responses it was not a good feeling sitting out on a bench in the break room praying to god that i dont have a stroke( i work in a nursing home and had a patient who was in her 40's from a stroke 15 years ago she could barely walk and fell all the time) not to preach but anyone reading this i suggest that they seek medical assistance the first sign of problems, i was probably lucky, i still dont feel well.

 

[MasRogue]

During a cycle (and if I'm wrong someone jump in) your body canl produce up to a liter of add'l red blood cells. Guess what that will do??
That's right....raise you BP.
In addition to that...figure in the water weight you've put on, the additional mucle tissue...and you're going to get an elevated BP.

My doc keeps mine in check with Avilide, works quite nicely!

 

[Mudge]

The additional RBC count could also cause a clog somewhere, pretty scary.

 

[buffdoc]

since u are a doc, can u tell me approx how long for the drup to help with my bp. i appreciate the responses it was not a good feeling sitting out on a bench in the break room praying to god that i dont have a stroke( i work in a nursing home and had a patient who was in her 40's from a stroke 15 years ago she could barely walk and fell all the time) not to preach but anyone reading this i suggest that they seek medical assistance the first sign of problems, i was probably lucky, i still dont feel well.

The calcium channel blockers usually work right away. The problem is getting the right dose: enough to be effective, but not so much that you have sides, like dizziness upon standing up.

 

[bigdelt69]

1 gram of test and 1 gram of fina???? I would drop the test down to about half of that and run the fina at .100mg eod, get some a-dex to help with the bloat, watch your sodium intake and drink lots of water.

 

[liftsiron]

Were you taking any anti-e's? Were you watching your sodium intake? Were you drinking adaquate water, like 5 to 6 liters a day. What is your bodyfat percentege? I would think that unless your built like Ronnie your bodyfat is more than 12% at 290- 6' 2".

And what was running through your mind that made you think that you required a gram of test and a gram of fina along with d-bol, are you a pro? You need a complete medical exam no doubt, and probably should be on a diuretic as well as CCB. I hope that you make out well. But in the future please be concerned with the health aspects involved as well.

 

[thepeg]

i am taking anti-e and drunking gallons of water , sorry didnt mention this, thaught this was SOP. i included a pic from march of this year am i fat?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Changes to Heart Muscle

The changes to heart muscle caused by anabolic steroids are attributed to their anabolic properties in muscle tissue. Left ventricular hypertrophy is characterized by thickening of the left ventricular wall secondary to cardiac fiber enlargement. Left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH) is normally caused by a chronic increase in systemic blood pressure. It may also be seen with sudden or rapid weight gain. The thickening of the ventricular wall due to increased after-load from elevated vascular resistance can be viewed as adaptive protection up to a point. Beyond minor wall thickening, pathological LVH is a strong predictor of serious cardiovascular risk.

It is important for physicians to realize that LVH can occur in strength athletes and bodybuilders even in the absence of anabolic steroids use. It was previously believed that the intermittent increase in blood pressure that is caused by heavy lifting was not sufficient to elicit concentric left ventricular hypertrophy (CLVH). Any evidence of CLVH in strength athletes or bodybuilders was seen as a sign of anabolic steroid use.

During heavy lifting, systemic blood pressure is increased from what is called the valsalva maneuver. It is simply the act of forceful expiration with the mouth and nose closed producing a "bearing down" on the abdomen. Most people do this during heavy lifts such as squats or deadlifts. Pressure also increases due to blood vessels being occluded by contracting muscles. It should be noted that the LVH seen in bodybuilders and power lifters is called "concentric left ventricular hypertrophy", meaning that it is the result of contracting against acute increased systemic pressure, and is not considered pathological (i.e. unhealthy). "Eccentric" LVH is caused by constant increases of blood pressure, not as a result of the valsalva maneuver but instead due to clinical hypertension that forces the ventricle to expand against resistance.

AAS further exacerbate the effects of lifting on the heart. AASs cause anabolism in heart muscle, at times increasing left ventricular wall thickness to 16mm (11mm is considered normal).4 However, LVH caused by resistance training either alone or in conjunction with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) has yet to result in diastolic dysfunction, or in other words, there is yet no evidence that this thickening of the ventricular wall is pathologic.

Treatment options

Upon cessation of high intensity resistance exercise and obviously Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use, ventricular wall thickness returns to within normal ranges as long as hypertension unrelated to lifting is not present. There are no treatment suggestions for LVH caused by resistance training with or without the use of AAS.

 

[rpwhit777]

How about some light to moderate cardio 3X per week for 20 minutes a clip should help out a bit!!.... If you havent done alot of cardio in your recent days then start slow dont want to collapse on the treadmill!!!!..LOL ... Good Luck bro!

 

[house1]

why so high on the doses bro??

with high doses you WILL get more sides-- i just dont understand why everyone is so hyped to do high amounts

moderate amounts, good diet , and balls to the walls training will get you where you want to be alot faster than just upping the dose.

not trying to preach here.

back off on your dose, drop the tren and dbol cut your test in half

start doing some cardio--cardio, should be part of everyones regiman-- its very important-- very healthy

 

[liftsiron]

i am taking anti-e and drunking gallons of water , sorry didnt mention this, thaught this was SOP. i included a pic from march of this year am i fat?

Your pic didn't come through bro, sorry to sound harsh, but I would sure hate to see you have a serious health problem intensified by very high doses of aas. I hope that you take House 1's advice and cut way back on Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) dose, at least until you get your self checked out. I sincerly hope that your bp gets under control and that you have no under lying medical problems.

Peace, liftsiron

 

[Golden_Muscle]

Quit your cycle. I quit my 2nd cycle because of anxiety (worrying about anything and everything all the time).

 

[bluetab]

come off slowly. don't cut your cycle in half immediately as that could potentially put your body in shock. taper off immediately though. within 4 wks you should be at half of the dosage you're taking on all type of gear. 2 more weeks will bring you to 1/4th of your cycle and then come off properly and rest the body until the bp goes back 2 normal. you should plan your cycle with gears that will cause high h20 retention such as winstrol depot or anavar with primobolan in order to constantly build muscles with quality in mind.