EnhancedAthlete
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Good luck Cash, I hope it all goes according to plan. Keep the updates coming.
HRT Exit Strategy...
- Thread starter cashout
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Blood work back - here is a summary of the high points. Nothing really different than the last 3 draws...
From Monday 8:00 am (prior to Test Cyp injection)
Total Test 1204
Estradiol 24.3
DHT 19
IGF-1 278
DHEA Sulfate 252.3
LH .1
FSH .3
SHBG 24.9
On course to begin exit on Monday Dec. 5th.
I'll be following the course detailed in my first post in this thread.
I have scheduled 4 blood draws during the course.
1st - After the last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot to assess Test/LH & FSH response/
2nd - After the first 30 days of Clomid to assess the same parameters
3rd - After the completion of the 45 days of Nolva to assess the same
4th - 30 days after the discontinuance of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to determine how well I am holding.
From Monday 8:00 am (prior to Test Cyp injection)
Total Test 1204
Estradiol 24.3
DHT 19
IGF-1 278
DHEA Sulfate 252.3
LH .1
FSH .3
SHBG 24.9
On course to begin exit on Monday Dec. 5th.
I'll be following the course detailed in my first post in this thread.
I have scheduled 4 blood draws during the course.
1st - After the last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot to assess Test/LH & FSH response/
2nd - After the first 30 days of Clomid to assess the same parameters
3rd - After the completion of the 45 days of Nolva to assess the same
4th - 30 days after the discontinuance of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to determine how well I am holding.
maxxmill17
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Cash your Dht supprised me. mine is 71 range 30-85..dr. says fine but my scalp always feels burned and dry hairloss too.
what is your current protocol (what drugs and dose are you currently doing)
I know we all would not respond the same just curious what has you so dialed in #'s look great thx.
what is your current protocol (what drugs and dose are you currently doing)
I know we all would not respond the same just curious what has you so dialed in #'s look great thx.
I use and have used fina at 1.25 mg daily for the past 17 years.
100mg cyp every 84 hours - Monday 6 am Thursday 6 pm
1.25 mg Letro with Monday inject and also with Thursday inject.
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CHIP WADOWSKI
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labs look really good, bro. This is definitely a life changing experiment that you are undertaking. I wish you the best of luck with it. Your contributions to this site are invaluable and i think this exit plan, done properly, will actually shed some positive light on the world of hrt/trt. Thanks again for all you do for this site. There are a lot of guys, myself included, that are constantly learning from your contributions.
maxxmill17
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my igf-1 always high like yours you attribute that to high T?
also I notice no hcg ..that because u were thinking testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life?
did letro screw with lipids at all?
also I notice no hcg ..that because u were thinking testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life?
did letro screw with lipids at all?
For the past 15 years, IGF-1 has always been in that range +/- 10.
No HCG for male contraceptive purposes.
No problem with Letro and lipids- total chol - 125, split 40/85 HDL/LDL.
Again, Chip, thanks for all the support.
At this point, I believe I know what to expect from this test but time will tell.
I think the value of this for me is confirmation of my believes.
If there are folks out there that can benefit from this process then that is valuable too.
At this point, I believe I know what to expect from this test but time will tell.
I think the value of this for me is confirmation of my believes.
If there are folks out there that can benefit from this process then that is valuable too.
maxxmill17
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great posts ..I personally think you are going to help many people for years to come from doing this..
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Last night I completed my week's worth of bench marking workouts heading into this exit.
I did this for simple comparative purposes 3 months from now.
Strength is not a real concern for me in my training. I never do anything less than 10 reps so there are no traditional max lifts listed below.
I really did this because a couple of you had previously asked me about max lifts and my response was - "I don't know. I haven't maxed on anything in about 15 years."
But here was this last weeks bench mark exercises and sets.
Flat bench - 25 reps by 225 lbs, 12 reps for 275 lbs.
Weighted Chins - 18 reps by 45 pound plate, 10 reps by 75 (3 25 plates)
Bent Rows - 15 reps by 275, 10 reps by 295
Dumbbell side lateral raise 12 reps by 60 pound dumbbells
Barbell curls 10 reps by 135
Tricep pushdown 10 reps by 100 pounds
So, I will use these bench marks to see how my strength holds up over the next 3 months during and after exit.
I did this for simple comparative purposes 3 months from now.
Strength is not a real concern for me in my training. I never do anything less than 10 reps so there are no traditional max lifts listed below.
I really did this because a couple of you had previously asked me about max lifts and my response was - "I don't know. I haven't maxed on anything in about 15 years."
But here was this last weeks bench mark exercises and sets.
Flat bench - 25 reps by 225 lbs, 12 reps for 275 lbs.
Weighted Chins - 18 reps by 45 pound plate, 10 reps by 75 (3 25 plates)
Bent Rows - 15 reps by 275, 10 reps by 295
Dumbbell side lateral raise 12 reps by 60 pound dumbbells
Barbell curls 10 reps by 135
Tricep pushdown 10 reps by 100 pounds
So, I will use these bench marks to see how my strength holds up over the next 3 months during and after exit.
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CHIP WADOWSKI
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Incredible numbers bro.
Fella's you look at those numbers and you get the real meaning of being truly physically "fit" vs. Just being in great shape!
Way to go cashout.
Fella's you look at those numbers and you get the real meaning of being truly physically "fit" vs. Just being in great shape!
Way to go cashout.
maxxmill17
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body weight and height?
do you expect to lose much weight?
do you expect to lose much weight?
I went off testosterone, I needed to get some fertility back and try and make a baby.
I did clomid, one 50mg pill every other day for 4 months. I still have some, in case I run out of test, or I have to come off for some reason.
To me this is a terrible idea, because clomid has some very annoying side effects. I have more floaters in my eysight because of it. Not a lot, but it is noticable.
The emotional upheaval wasn't that bad, but the complete lack of sex drive while on clomid was terrible.
I tried going off clomid to see if I would restart. I crashed hard! Started back up on Testosterone, life has been good ever since.
There is no easy exit strategy, if you get some sort of cancer and have to stop taking Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), it will simply suck.
I know I will be taking daily injections for my diabetes and low test for the rest of my life, and my exit strategy is death
I did clomid, one 50mg pill every other day for 4 months. I still have some, in case I run out of test, or I have to come off for some reason.
To me this is a terrible idea, because clomid has some very annoying side effects. I have more floaters in my eysight because of it. Not a lot, but it is noticable.
The emotional upheaval wasn't that bad, but the complete lack of sex drive while on clomid was terrible.
I tried going off clomid to see if I would restart. I crashed hard! Started back up on Testosterone, life has been good ever since.
There is no easy exit strategy, if you get some sort of cancer and have to stop taking Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), it will simply suck.
I know I will be taking daily injections for my diabetes and low test for the rest of my life, and my exit strategy is death
simpllyhuge
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That bench is awesome. So is the chins. how often did you do those lifts per week and how many sets?
MoparMuscle
Amateur Bodybuilder
Interested to see results. Pretty hardcore testing an exit, don't think I could do it.
simpllyhuge
New member
I would use aromasin for post cycle therapy (pct) with 25 mg of clomid and maybe some novla.
3rd shot of 2000 iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) this morning at 6 am. I've got my next one on Sunday and that will wrap it up for week one.
So far, no issues to report. No bloating or water retention. The letro must be keeping the E in check b/c I am very prone to aromitization from HCG.
Training has been status quo. Feeling fine.
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