I Hate To Say This, BUT...

b12 has been proven several times that some people/animals benefit from injection because of malabsorption issues.

I don't know about accupuncture but there are highly recommended so-called experts in every feild and your source/s may have sent you in the wrong direction much as people have done me with so-called great lawyers who have done jack shit for me.

I have heard as many people say good as bad about G/C ! It has been suggested by many that vitC is largely responsible for how much benefit people reap along with a shitload of other variables...such as degree of dibilitation(as well as many many more).
Route of administration is a very big aspect on what works and what doesn't! Drink you a bottle of testo enanthate and see how good it does you.
Those amino sugar a big and hard to get to the cartilage.
You want to do something that works try adequan (polysulfated glycosaminoglycans) INJECTED I.M. AS CLOSE TO THE JOINT AS POSSIBLE(I would be hesitant to go Intra-articular and haven't found it necessary). Same basic thing just route of administration is via injection to it works fast and in some people lasts. For me it didn't. Other people never had the problem return.

If you have psoriatic arthiritis(or contagious arthititis) whatever you take will only do so much good but the culprit is bacteria or viral origing and you are only treating a symptom,. had much pussy in your life?????? Well lets just say you have....Clamydia is a big culprit when I come to the aforementioned and is being recognised for it....

Three million American women and men become infected with chlamydia every year. Chlamydia is:

four times as common as gonorrhea

more than 30 times as common as syphilis

most common among women and men under 25

For every person with herpes, there are six with chlamydia.

Of the estimated one and a half million men in the U.S. who get chlamydia each year one percent - 15,000 - may develop serious symptoms. Perhaps one-third of these men - 5,000 - will become permanently disabled each year. Some women may be affected by reactive arthritis as well.

You may just have an STD(I'm kaing a joke while being serious).

Okay now back to the accupuncture and modern medicine....the quack looking atyour tongue etc.., there is much to things you that doesn't seem of significance... in modern ama medicine : like looking at the fingers, clubbed fingers can be a symptom of disease of the heart or lungs which cause chronically low blood levels of oxygen or diseases which cause malabsorption, such as cystic fibrosis or celiac disease.

The tongue has been considered a good reflection of systemic diseases. Hippocrates, Galen and others considered the tongue to be a barometer of health, emphasizing its diagnostic and prognostic importance. Localized, non-systemic lingual lesions, however, are much more commonly encountered. Incidence investigations of benign lingual lesions are nonexistent, only prevalence data (number of lesions found per every 1,000 persons examined) are available. Several prevalence studies have looks exclusively at tongue lesions, often recording only one or two different entities

Nelson can you tell me why it is that a Modern medical doctor looks with his magnifying instrument into the eye? I s he checking the eyes?

Could be? But what else it it he may be looking for?
I wanna see if you know this easy one!

A good physician will learn a lot from just from the outward appearance of and inividual and use this as a reference of where to beging his investigation(along with whatever the patient verbalizes).
I could go on with 100's of example but i don't feel like looking the references up to prove what I'm saying (much of what you should know given you're a self declared expert on many of these things"it's your job".

The last thing you force me to ask by what you posted and I feel you've walked right into is: If you wre wrong about so much that you at a time not long ago were so hard core over..how do we know you're not wrong about your current list of things you so strongly currently support....I mean by what you've admitted it certainly begs the question.

Lastly: Damn I swear You almost begged to be picked on with so much of your shit!:) i see why that kid used to beat you up in gradeschool:D lmfao heheheheheh
peace
 
Another thing since wo many of us are admitted fuck monsters(a shitload of other declaring the love of anal) how many of these problems may be that you are hiv+ and having many of the beginning sypmtoms of that?

Funny how many people are infected but tht never comes up!
 
I gotta bump a good suggestion here. I bought some MSM from Costco for shits 'n' grins since it was so cheap. I have always had issues with my rotator cuffs. Since taking MSM regularly, I have had NO problems. It's not an instant, "whoa shit, I feel it!" kinda supp, but after a month of taking it, it dawned on me that I hadn't felt any shoulder pain in a long time.

thefantom1 said:
For those of you who have not gotten results from Glucosamine/Condroiton...I beg you to try MSM only....buy it from whatever store you want as I am not advocating any of them...try it at 3000mg a day (1500 in the morning and 1500 in the evening) for a week...then drom it down to 1500 a day.. I guarantee your joints will feel better....key word being better...not perfect...what I noticed in 3 days was that walking down the stairs I noticed no aches or pains in my knees..which I usually felt... If anyone on here has any faith in anything I say here....please try it..and post your results.
 
good posts EZSTREET. another couple of things i dont know if you know about nelson are the very well documented practices of iridology or Sclerology. otherwise you should know that a blood test is not always the most accurate way of diagnosing illness or imbalances. go get your kidneys checked with a blood test and you will only know the overall condition of both kidneys, wheras a diagnosis of the irides can show you exactly which kidney is more overworked fighting infection.

nelson, you sould know that a combined approach is usually the best and you should also accept that there are many things that you dont have a clue about. just like all of us. you can scream voodoo all you want but you are really just showing your ass by trying to discredit a very well established and effective practice thowing it in there with voodoo. and anyways, what exazctly do you know about voodoo that you are discreditting that too. i guess you lived for a few years in the jungle with the natives studying under some priest or shaman and came to the undisputed and final conclusion that it too was quackery. on top of that you are showing everyone just how little you really do know by reversing so many firmly held beliefs.

your bad experiences merely show what EZstreet said earlier. there will always be unscrupulous people practicing in every trade and just because someone told you you were going to the foremost expert in NYC doesnt necessarily make it true. and even if he was the foremost expert in the entire world you should realize that no single therapeutic technique or practice is a cure all end all. the guy i know is an old man. nobody knows how old because he has all his hair and no wrinkles but something about him seems ancient. he usually listens to your pulse for a few seconds and tells you exactly how you feel and what is wrong with you. he will look at youir tongue sometimes witht he same accuracy. he uses the standard metaphoric chinese terminology but also tries to explain it in western terms. he doesnt use needles unless he sees a very urgent need to induce temporary recovery while his herbs and dietary recomendations start taking effect, or whenever appropriate to him. if what he does is quackery then he must be using voodoo to heal everyone because he has a great track record as long as you do everything he says. obviously you didnt do any of what the guy in new york tried to tell you because to start you thought his methods of examination were stupid or ineffective by your limited standards. you have to do your part too when you go to a dovctor otherwise its a no brainer that you dont get better. the doctor only prescribes his shit. you have to follow what he says. i had supposedly irreversible nerve damage induced during military training and this guy had me fixed in ten days. he told me exactly on what day i would recover and told me everything that would happen and what i would feel from start to finish. unfortunately i moved far away from where this guy is or i would have continued seeing him for other problems he diagnosed and that i have suffered with for years.

you should have learned by now that you should not etch shit into stone because then you just look discredible when you reverse yourself (especially on so many things) and again start trying to etch your new beliefs (which may be just as wrong) into stone.

MODS feel free to edit anything that seems appropriate or delete this if it seems offensive. i dont want this thread to turn stupid when there are interesting things being discussed.
 
Nelson, Ulter, Macro...please just cut this BS out!!

I really dont care what personal differences you all have, but there is not place for the childish verbage here!

Come on guys, cant we all just get along???

Are you reading the right thread bro? I didn't post any childish verbage and Macro isn't even here. :)
 
I don't know Nelson, I've ad prior shoulder pain and once I started glucosamine @ 1500mg/day, it's gone away. I'm able to do incline bench and shoulder presses which I couldn't do before I started. I do agree on one point........chiropractors never went to medical school, yet why do we have to give them the title Dr. They're a bunch of hacks IMO.
 
brooklynheight said:
real quick ulter ---r ala post workout b4 ur high carb shake and b4 your meal?---while cutting?

You should take it with the post workout shake but if you're eating soon after, like within 2 hours, there is no need to take it again. It's still working for the meal. Just take the meal into account when you total your carbs for the dose. 1 = 30gr
 
nelson i dont have a huge amount of time but all i wanted to point out is that your opinion is just that.

i mean good luck to you and all taht, but i personally believe you ahve no business writing books or giving advice. im not attacking or trying to offend you , but there are many, many concepts that you just dont have, which make your grounding in the subject of supplementation quite poor. the B12 issue above highlights that. oral B12 will not have the bioavailability that injected B12 has.

anyway what can i say, its good that youre revising, but not a great thing that you had so much to say in the first place.

cheers
 
SomeBloke said:
nelson i dont have a huge amount of time but all i wanted to point out is that your opinion is just that.

i mean good luck to you and all taht, but i personally believe you ahve no business writing books or giving advice. im not attacking or trying to offend you , but there are many, many concepts that you just dont have, which make your grounding in the subject of supplementation quite poor. the B12 issue above highlights that. oral B12 will not have the bioavailability that injected B12 has.

anyway what can i say, its good that youre revising, but not a great thing that you had so much to say in the first place.

cheers



B12 is a water soluable vitamin and will be exreted in the same amount of time wheter it's taken orally or injected.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but you're not entitled to be wrong.

As for the other stuff, it was just an observation.

I've also been involved in the area of supplementation for over 10 years and have been a consultant to hundreds of people on the subject as well as the designer of supplements (wheras many so called experts just sell them) and I've had dozens of published works in the area and the endorsment of doctors, coaches and professional athletes. So, you may not agree with me, but I've managed to establish myself quite well in the field, thank you.

Anytime you want to discuss something , I'm up for it. But just disagreeing without any logical rebutal is pretty pointless, don't you think?
 
as for the B12 deal, all the B12 you take orally, well does it get absorbed? thats what I figured made the shots better - because you know its making it into your blood stream, but the oral b12 may just never get out of the digestive tract.
 
thepeg said:
art works


Never said it didn't -- just that the applications are limited.


iron: True, not all oral B12 is absorbed, but considering an average multi vit has over a thousand times the recommended daily allowence, I think you're covered.
 
ulter said:
Are you reading the right thread bro? I didn't post any childish verbage and Macro isn't even here. :)

That was a generalized statement concerning multiple threads.

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, it just seems that every thread that you(af store), and NM are involved in turns into cat fight and I know that most cant stand it anymore.

It was nothing personal. I just want it to stop. So someone be a man and just dont partake in the BS.

Thats all...
 
LAWNSAVER said:
That was a generalized statement concerning multiple threads.

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, it just seems that every thread that you(af store), and NM are involved in turns into cat fight and I know that most cant stand it anymore.

It was nothing personal. I just want it to stop. So someone be a man and just dont partake in the BS.

Thats all...


I agree completely. I even wrote to ulter personally to put a halt to it, but as mentioned, he said he felt a resonsibility to sway people away from my recommendations. If he does that, I will rebute. It isn't bickering. It's defending one's reputation. I think this is a situation where the administration can't take the attitude that they don't care who "started it." Who "starts it" is everything.
 
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