I'd like to add 3 to 5 mph on my fastball.

[dynamicathlete]

I'm 6'3 about 210lbs at around 8% body fat. I throw 84 to 87mph right now. I'm going to Italy to pitch in april and currently travel around the country to play in tournys with a team that pays for everything. I want to get the most out of what I have and I'd like to know what's good to take to add some mph's as well as maybe recovery and soreness. I've been training professional athletes for about 3 years now. Mostly college and hs but I do have some pro athletes and 2 are big name fb players. I've never taken anything nor do I ever recomend it to any of my clients and none of them have ever asked me about it. I'm not well versed on steroids or what ones are good and what ones aren't. That being said, I don't look down on them or those who take it. I don't think it's cheating blah blah blah. It's for another thread. About me: I train very hard. I know all the exercises, I run, do my Jobe exercises, train legs, core and everything else the right way. I don't get to throw as regularly as I'd like to but other than that I do everything I'm suppose to do. I'm 30, I have great endurance, I was 88 at 88 in the 9th this weekend on my 110th pitch. I have a major league changeup and an above ave curve. I want to be able to throw 90 by the time I get to Italy next year. I will be taking something I just want the right info on what to take. Please no training advice I just would like to take the right things and benifit from it.

 

[DADAWG]

im guessing the italian league doesnt test but it may come up eventually so i would stay away from eq and deca due to the long detection time.
since its a first cycle i would stick with test at 400-500 mg for 10-12 weeks followed by a good post cycle therapy (pct) [since your allready thirty dont skimp o pct].
winnie is hard on the joints , tren is rough on recovery , especially for older people, dbol and anadrol would add bloat you probablly dont need .
if and i say if i was adding anything else it would be anavar .
i also suggest getting a good blood test before cycling just to see what current test levels are , at thirty its possible your a candidate for hrt/trt and just that could make a difference.

 

[JayC]

DAWG has you covered right there^^
my added 0.02 cents for situation... being an athlete (non-bb'r) low doses are going to be key here.. Test (i prefer cyp or E) is excellent and a great catch-all (covering muscle recovery, power, intensity, mood, etc., etc,) .. then probably low dose Anavar (var) for the strength/recovery benifits w/little to no sides. I wouldnt venture out from there in your situation. Remember low doses, because the little sides (bloat, pump/cramp, etc..) aren't pronounced enough to negate the positive effects.

 

[dynamicathlete]

Thanks for the info......I was told a good stack with no testing would be Anavar (var), EQ, Growth with B12.....also heard Halo. What do you think about that? What kinda side effects can I expect for anything you mentioned or what I just mentioned?

 

[bluefawnpitbull]

Two main factors of anabolic steroids will help you with your sport specific goal.

1. Enhance ATP-CP Metabolic System: Anavar (var) is a great choice. Anavar (var) is very effective at increasing creatine storage within the muscle fibers. This is important because ATP-CP is the primary system involved with high velocity explosive athletic movements. But this system must be trained while on the drugs...plyometrics, sport specific internal rotation for pitching drills, etc.

2. Enhance Neuromuscular (Neural) Growth Factors: The property of sauce that you want to capitalize on is the ability for certain Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to stimulate neural growth factors. These are growth factors which will allow enhanced myelinated conductance of the alpha motor neurons (the fastest, highest force producing motor neurons)...If you have a quicker signal traveling down the nerve fiber, you can have a faster muscle twitch (contraction) which produces more force.

So, what type of drugs stimulate neural growth factors the most? The ones with the highest androgenic potency or high DHT activity. In this regard, your Halotestin is a good choice. Test prop mentioned in the thread above would be a good bet as well, just watch your weight and bulk (very clean diet). Winstrol, although not typically described as an androgenic drug, is a derivative of DHT and can stimulate growth factors very well when it comes to combining the right sport specific, explosive movements.

Trenbolone is another drug that is great at stimulating these growth factors. I think a combo of some tren (low dose) mixed with some test prop and ana Anavar (var) OR halotestin would be a good mix for explosive power.

Also, use one of the new generation creatine formulas like a creatine AKG type of capsule. They have very high absorption rates and you may gain a bit of weight due to hydration in the muscle (creatine brings sodium into cell, and sodium brings water) but this will be very mild. Since you will have an enhanced ability to store creatine phosphate (once metabolized) into muscle cells while on the drugs, you may as well supply a little extra raw substrate for good measure.

Did you want to use a CNS stimulant? If you did go that route, that is a whole other post. CNS stimulants will directly and acutely affect your motor neuron firing ability, but you MUST know how your system reacts to these type of drugs. At your level of precision, you will not want to be throwing 3-4 harder if you lose your finesse and control because you are too "dinged up" on stimulants. Maybe experiment low dose in off-season during practice to find correct drug and dose for you.

Knowledge is great, but can be dangerous. Remember Belcher-keep moderation.

 

[DADAWG]

Thanks for the info......I was told a good stack with no testing would be Anavar (var), EQ, Growth with B12.....also heard Halo. What do you think about that? What kinda side effects can I expect for anything you mentioned or what I just mentioned?

growth would improve recovery , especially at your age . always use test in a cycle imo even if its just 200-300 mg a week to add in with other gear. it doesnt pay to stack in a 1st cycle , you wont know which steroid causes the growth and which causes the side effects. test/hgh would be damn good imo IF you can afford growth.

 

[dynamicathlete]

Geeze great great info. Although I don't understand all the terms used and things like that I will continue to do the research. I know I want to stay away from Trembolan. I don't like the stories on the side effects with that. And with the drying out of the ligaments I'm affraid of Winstrol (winny) too. I don't know what a CNS stimulate is. I have the men's amature world series in Oct and I want to be on something for a little bit of time then.

So if I get this right. I should not stack Anavar (var) with anything? I will start with 50mg a day of Anavar (var) . I want to get some test and eq and some growth with some B12. What do you guys think about that?

I've also been told about IGF-1 and how great it is but after some research it seems that it's not available and anyone that says differant is selling bull crap. What's your opinions?

I know there's alot of questions, I am a newbie but want to learn. I really appreciate all the help. TRULY!

 

[bigkit34]

deca would be a good fit for u as a pitcher as deca is known to lubricate the joints. need to run test along with it. I'd say go with 400-500mg test e per week stacked with 200-300mg deca for 10 weeks

 

[bluefawnpitbull]

A CNS stimulant is a "central nervous system stimulant". This is anything from over the counter legal caffeine, to drugs like ephedrine, adderal, ritalin and others which "stimulate" or "excite" your nervous system and amp it up.

Bro, you will receive lots of opiniions. Do research, listen to everyone who sounds like they have a clue...but don't actually USE everyone's advice. Decide what makes sense for you. Your goals have everything to do with, well everything. So do your priorities-risk factors, what you will put up with, etc. The drug plan and scientific outline for a weight restricted wrestler will not be the same as a weight-unlimited lineman, even if they both had the same goal of becoming more explosive.

1. Clinically, GH does not considerably fall until 30yrs old on average. Plus, if you take a testostorone ester, you will elevate IGF-I by a minimal 10%. IGF-I is the growth factor that does everything you've read GH does. FYI-GH for a healthy 30 yr old guy by itself will do next to nothing. Part of the reason is that you still have plenty of it.

And, if I understand correctly, you are looking for results with pitching, not wondering how something worked. I am explaining things in detail so that you trust the competence behind the words. Anyway, re-read the former post...lets summarize it again here:

1. Anavar-stores extra creatine phosphate; this system is responsible for all exlosive movements under 3 seconds duration (obviously high velocity arm movements like punching or throwing). ATP is the chemical that allows LIFE and every type of muscle contraction. ATP-CP system is the energy system in the body that supplies this type of energy for this type of work (short duration, explosive, or high force of a repetitive nature). You will not need more than 20-30mg per day to get this effect.

2. A high androgen anabolic steroid-we already described choices in last post-this is another known mechanism in the UG drug world for high level athletes to gain an edge. Just know, your brain communicates with your nerves, and specialized nerves called "alpha motor neurons" are "muscle contraction-signal carriers". The faster and stronger the signal, the faster and stronger the contraction of the muscles involved.

3. Deca would be great-but I am unclear about your testing requirements/priorities/timelines. Deca (nandrolone decanoate) is a 10 ester form of nandrolone and lasts very long in the body actively, and forms lots of lingering metabolites that could nail you on a drug test for almost a full year and a half after stopping. The advantage is that it has a very high nitrogen retention rate (the definition of an anabolic "build you up" process) which accelerates recovery and has natural anti-inflammatory ability which will allow your sore arm and shoulder to endure more stress, longer, and still not be sore or inflamed for longer than a few days-definitely a normal 4-5 day rest rotation between outings will be no problem.

Reasonable sport specific for pitching based on everything we have mentioned and not worrying about a drug test:

200mg Deca/week
100mg Propionate every other day or even 2x week (just make sure one of your shots is post-game on day you pitch so that you will ensure high blood plasma levels and accelerate healing processes during your rest/rotation days)
20-30mg anavar per day
3 grams a day of creatine AKG or similar substitue that has high absorption Cr rate

***you have to do your aggressive/explosive arm velocity throwing drills and attempt to throw harder and faster while on the stuff. This is the only way the whole purpose of taking this drugs will actually manifest into the results you want.

As far as the stimulants, don't worry about it. I just figured to add it in for information purposes since CNS stimulants as a whole are the most abused drugs in MLB. But, as we mentioned, the doses and specific drugs you could use are so varied that it would be a separate entire thread.

 

[JayC]

Nice post blue!

 

[bluefawnpitbull]

Thanks brother, appreciate it. Just trying to be helpfull.

 

[getfitdoc]

ya, great reads blue, thanks

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Blue's pretty sound on his approach. Be very careful on what your coarse of action. Make sure you do your research. Eq is a no for what you want to gain due to the pumps that come with it. You would be done in the 3rd inning. Deca is great for thge joints but the bloat is not good for high volume fast paced movements. As mentioned above it stays in the body forever. I think diet and the right recovery are the key here.

I 'm going to tell you something that most here will not like at first. I will give you a little of my back round I had the 90 mile an hour fast ball you seek and a little faster. I'd be very careful what you take. The wrong thing could destroy your arm.

I wouldn't stack anything. Insulin or hgh or IgF-1Lr3 are the safest bet and they have the lowest sides too.

You don't really want to put on much muscle at all, it will slow you down. Insulin is un testable. It can be dangerous. If not used properly it can kill you. If used properly it is very safe. You just need to used humalog it has a spike in 15 minutes after being injected. you need to make sure you get 7 to 10 grams of carbs in your system per 1i.u. of the insulin. I eat a low fat yogurt ( make sure is has carbs some don't ) and drink a protein shake. Then eat a full meal in the next hour and a 15 minutes.

This will give you the fastest recovery you could ask for, if you take the insulin with in 15 minutes of completing your work out. ( do a search for insulin facts on the board I think" Lion " posted an article that was very good.

I know you don't want training tips but. I would train with weighted balls. A few extra ounces will go a long way. It helped me out big time in high school. I soaked a bucket of balls in water. Be careful they can get to heavy. I'm sure you can buy heavy balls now . Back then it was the best I could do.
I won't go into HGH or igf-1 protocol

 

[bigbodymingle]

i played in HS and a little in college and from my exp. id go with low dose test prop by itself and train like hell. Some one mentioned weighted balls, resistance bands, etc, all this stuff about deca, GH, IGF, is over kill for what your goals are, IMO

 

[bluefawnpitbull]

Dread Pirate-thanks for the personal experience and insight. I pitched in HS but was never as good as you guys (low 80s mph max) which is why I studied so hard!!! LOL.

Quick question: from your pitching experience, do you really believe nandrolone at a low enough dose like 200mg/week will cause bloat to interfere with performance? Its just that I've worked with lots of high level athletes with explosive power and as long as diet was tight and dose was low, it worked great for joints while enhancing recovery rate. Are you basing this on what you've experienced on Nandrolone in your lifting career, or do you know this personally from your pitching days? Just curious.

 

[Joe_Average]

2. Enhance Neuromuscular (Neural) Growth Factors: The property of sauce that you want to capitalize on is the ability for certain Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to stimulate neural growth factors. These are growth factors which will allow enhanced myelinated conductance of the alpha motor neurons (the fastest, highest force producing motor neurons)...If you have a quicker signal traveling down the nerve fiber, you can have a faster muscle twitch (contraction) which produces more force.

You are an encyclopedia. great info.

are you saying that dosing with steroids actually improves the speed with which the muscle receives instructions from the brain? and not simply the speed with which the action is performed? does it actually increase myelination or increase the number of motor neurons?

is it just neuromuscular? why wouldn't improve other signals (myelination in neurons in the brain for instance)?

AAS are pretty unreal.

 

[bluefawnpitbull]

Joe-Yes-specific anabolic steroids have more dramatic affects on myelination "conductance"-the signal travels quicker but this is minor and needs the right mix of anabolics that stimulate growth factors as well as the right type of sport specific training. Why did I just say dramatic, then say minor? Well if we are talking about high levels of explosive sports movements, minor is dramatic.

To specifiy, the speed of which the "action is performed" is DIRECTLY related to how efficient and fast the signal can be transmitted from the brain, down through the alpha motor neurons to the functional muscle unit responsible for contraction of the fiber(s)(sarcomeres). I have to clarify that to get the desired effect, we must have three main components, not just the same old movements with juice layered in.

1. A high level athlete who already has gained raw power through regular strength training while also enhancing the specifics of the desired athletic movement (the athlete has already trained to be explosive through sport specific drills)

2. The right drills performed at speeds that concentrate on "rate of force production"
-this is the most essential aspect of training for explosive power in explosive sports

3. The right mix of drugs...not just on paper with the ones we discussed that tend to affect neuromuscular growth factors, but a biochemically-individualized, correct program drug regimen-"drugs work well in the right dose in the right combo for a specific individual"

If we mean the same by saying increase or efficiency of conductance of the myelinated fibers, yes, the signal is increased. The amount of myelination is the same. Think of using a quality amp for your car stereo. The base really thumps, right? Well this increased "amplified" power is more juice going through the same wires and cables. Same circuitry, more electricity. Think of the electricity being the same as the nerve signal (actually it is electric).

Lastly, BRAIN. Well, I am not so sure juice makes you smarter-lol. All of us on these boards are the geniuses of the world-yeah!! Actually I have been using a term, "Scientific Meathead" for years. I am sure I am not the first. But I believe we can be jacked, honest, and super nerdy smart with a nice bank account to boot.

Clinically though...
Absolutely!! This is one of the biggest benefits we see in our treatments in the clinic. Many men aged 40+ (mostly over 50) with a corrective hormone replacement regimen notice increased memory, cognition, recall, and satiety.

Healthy testosterone levels are essential for rapid and sharp male cognitive ability as well as spatial ability (umm..hitting a 95mph moving ball with thin stick). Pretty awesome stuff!! There is actually a clinically recognized condition called "MIS" (male irritability syndrome) from having low testosterone. Violent outbursts, angry all the time, no patience, hostile, mean for absolutely no reason are all documented clinical symptoms of MIS...How's that for all the uneducated super ignorant "roids will make you a dick and beat your girlfriend/wife and dog" people out there. Same people that think pitbulls "turn on their owners and want to fight and kill everything".

By the way, there is a huge cognitive effect for corrective purposes in both men and women in aging populations, but that is a different mechanism of action with a different thread and different target audience.

 

[dynamicathlete]

WOW! I got way more out of the post than I could ever imagine! I will be taking Blue's info to the "T". Unfortunetly Dread Pirate Roberts although may no quite a bit about drugs he's talking about, he is way off on the weighted ball thing. Throwing a weighted ball will actually slow your arm down. It's ok to throw 3 to 5 tosses to stretch before playing catch but for any prolonged period of time no only can damage the small muscles in the shoulder but can slow down arm speed. Actually throwing a slightly lighter ball will train the fast twitch muscle fibers to get stronger.

Blue I wish I lived near you to use your clinic but this is the next best thing. Thanks for all your help. Hope it work!

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

When I was playing I didn't need to increase my test levels. They were already high I was young.

Deca is different in everybody.It all depends on body chemistry some are prone to bloat.

Low doses of Deca aren't really going to give the results desired. The hydration of the joints comes with the bloat.

Be safe and do your research real well and then do some more. Most professionals using gear are getting it from trainers who have no clue how to use them correctly and safely life is too short to suffer poor health because of an avoidable mistake.

Work Hard, train safe please take advantage of the knowledge here for your research. Welcome to the neighborhood.

 

[Joe_Average]

But I believe we can be jacked, honest, and super nerdy smart with a nice bank account to boot.

I'm with you. a certain level of intelligence is necessary to really succeed in any trade. bodybuilding and athletics are no different.

i had no idea about the cognitive effects of these drugs. the fact that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are illegal is ridiculous. so many positives buried underneath, as george carlin would say, a steaming pile of propaganda bullshit.