I'd like to add 3 to 5 mph on my fastball.
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..honestly, this one of the best advanced (newer) threads I've read in months.
dynamicathlete
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I'm glad me not knowing anything could spark so much great knowledge from so many inteligent people. Thanks again for all the great info. I'll take it all in and hopefully be 92-93mph in the next 2 months or so
Strega
The Hot Mess
Dynamic, Im not really trying to steer you away from gear, but if you listen to my two cents it might.
As a pitcher(long ago) and a guy that absolutely loves the game I truly believe it is in your best interest to look at your own mechanics to see what you are doing that isnt quite right. I can tell you right now that adding more strength/snap to bad mechanics will end badly or make for a very short carreer.
I used to think that a pitcher like Greg Maddux had the best mechanics till I watched Timmy Lincecum throw gasoline all ove a mound and set the mound on fire. I know it may not be possible, but if you (or anyone else) could learn how to throw this way (look down at video) the possibility of a guy your size approaching 105mph isnt out of the question seeing that Timmy is tiny compared to you.
Tim Lincecum Pictures, News and Video - Wanabo.com
Bad mechanics with a too much Power = Tony Saunders
Good mechanics on a little frame = Tim Lincecum
Who would you rather be?
Good luck. I never could get it past 82 on a juggs. LOL
As a pitcher(long ago) and a guy that absolutely loves the game I truly believe it is in your best interest to look at your own mechanics to see what you are doing that isnt quite right. I can tell you right now that adding more strength/snap to bad mechanics will end badly or make for a very short carreer.
I used to think that a pitcher like Greg Maddux had the best mechanics till I watched Timmy Lincecum throw gasoline all ove a mound and set the mound on fire. I know it may not be possible, but if you (or anyone else) could learn how to throw this way (look down at video) the possibility of a guy your size approaching 105mph isnt out of the question seeing that Timmy is tiny compared to you.
Tim Lincecum Pictures, News and Video - Wanabo.com
Bad mechanics with a too much Power = Tony Saunders
Good mechanics on a little frame = Tim Lincecum
Who would you rather be?
Good luck. I never could get it past 82 on a juggs. LOL
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dynamicathlete
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Thanks for the info. And I don't want to criticize your opinion but Tim Lincecum has horrible mechanics. He's known for having bad mechanics and still throwing hard. They actually debated whether or not to change him in the minors b/c they didn't think his arm would hold up b/c of the way he throws but decieded against it. Good mechanics (IE: Mark Prior, perfect mechanics and has been forever injured) doesn't neccesarily mean anything. from 2002 til 2006 the ave mph on a MLB fastball was faster than any three years in the history. And roughly by 3 to 4 MPH. It is a direct result of gear. You're entitled to your opinion but it does help pitchers more than hitters and mechanics, training or anything else can't increase velocity after a certain point. I at least know that much.
Strega
The Hot Mess
I know I know I know he looks different, but I can gaurangotdamtee that Tiny Tim will be around alot longer than Mark Prior (who happens to be injured all the time). Wonder why that is?
Lincecum IS NOT known for having bad mechanics, he is know for having mechanics that few understand. How do you think that the kid has been able to get the ball up to the speeds he has on his small frame without EVER getting hurt? The guy does not get injured. I find it ironically funny that you mentioned Prior. Hell you may as well have mentioned Kerry Woods. Not sure which one I think has worse mechanics, but I do know that both are on the DL way too much for guys that have "good mechanics".
Go ahead, and load op on gear. I have nothing invested in your future. I was only trying to give solid advice.
Lincecum IS NOT known for having bad mechanics, he is know for having mechanics that few understand. How do you think that the kid has been able to get the ball up to the speeds he has on his small frame without EVER getting hurt? The guy does not get injured. I find it ironically funny that you mentioned Prior. Hell you may as well have mentioned Kerry Woods. Not sure which one I think has worse mechanics, but I do know that both are on the DL way too much for guys that have "good mechanics".
Go ahead, and load op on gear. I have nothing invested in your future. I was only trying to give solid advice.
dynamicathlete
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If anyone reads this: I really feel like Blue Fawn knows what he's talking about so I went out and did more research I decieded to pick up 25mg caps of Anavar (var) , deca and a cyp/propinate mix. That was the only way I could come across to get propin. I was wondering if there's a differant way I should take it. This is what I'm thinking
25mg's of Anavar (var) a day
200mg's of deca a week
150mg's of the mix once a week and 2x's when I pitch
along with a creatine AKG supplement and a clean diet.
Any advice?
25mg's of Anavar (var) a day
200mg's of deca a week
150mg's of the mix once a week and 2x's when I pitch
along with a creatine AKG supplement and a clean diet.
Any advice?
TheMilkMan
New member
Be VERY careful adding any size to your upper body and losing any flexibility in your chest, shoulders, back, or arms
When I was 16, I was clocked at a show case throwing 87mph, with my average fastball being in the 82-84 range. I was 6'2'' 170lbs, had strong legs and a wiry flexible upper body. I caught the bodybuilding bug when I was 17, packed on about 15 pounds to my upper body, gained a ton of strength, looked great, lost flexibility, and ultimately injured my shoulder. Reoccurring rotator cuff tendinitis and constantly getting bigger, now I play first base on a Division III club baseball team, hit 4th in the line up, and am known as "steroid freak" on my team lol.
I would take some time to think about running ANY gear with your goals in mind. A low dose of Test for muscle recovery would be the only thing I would recommend (250mg/wk or so) and really monitoring the flexibility in your upper body would be imperative for you.
Before Pedro Martinez got hurt, he threw 96mph and was no where near your size. His perfect mechanics and the incredible whip in his body are what got him to what he was.
I hope this is helpful and be careful.
When I was 16, I was clocked at a show case throwing 87mph, with my average fastball being in the 82-84 range. I was 6'2'' 170lbs, had strong legs and a wiry flexible upper body. I caught the bodybuilding bug when I was 17, packed on about 15 pounds to my upper body, gained a ton of strength, looked great, lost flexibility, and ultimately injured my shoulder. Reoccurring rotator cuff tendinitis and constantly getting bigger, now I play first base on a Division III club baseball team, hit 4th in the line up, and am known as "steroid freak" on my team lol.
I would take some time to think about running ANY gear with your goals in mind. A low dose of Test for muscle recovery would be the only thing I would recommend (250mg/wk or so) and really monitoring the flexibility in your upper body would be imperative for you.
Before Pedro Martinez got hurt, he threw 96mph and was no where near your size. His perfect mechanics and the incredible whip in his body are what got him to what he was.
I hope this is helpful and be careful.
dynamicathlete
New member
Milk....1st off that chick is HOT! LOL 2ndly Is it ok that the test I have is a mix? And I have some others telling me to drop the Deca but I don't feel like I should. I get the feeling that more people on this thread know more than any other thread I've read. I'm lucky I guess to get this kind of advice from what I feel are experts. So I'm going to stick with what Blue originally said and keep doseage low. Take 2 shots of test on weeks I throw and deca once a week as well as the creatine and Anavar (var) every day. Like I said though should it matter that the test is a mix of cyp and propin?
tajwolgram
Previously BUSTED!
advice...
I'd make sure that you take whatever you can to ensure the strongest ligaments, tendons, cartilage possible.
And do ALL of the rehab type exercises for rotator cuff injuries NOW.
A rotator cuff injury will ruin you.
I used to play some competitive golf, too. And in studying the golf swing, I believe that a tremendous amount of speed is generated by the left rear delt area including MAYBE the teres major, minor, and lat. If you develop those areas, I'd be willing to believe that you will generate that additional speed without juicing.
Imagine when you're pitching and you've just done your leg kick and your foot has landed. Check out the rear delt area in the arm that's not throwing the ball. Feel how tight it is? It's generating a good amount of the upper body torque... Give it a shot... Couldn't hurt.
And the average sized major league pitchers I've been around who throw in the mid 90s seem to have some really strong calves.
And work in front of a radar gun. With the golf swing, hitting in front of a radar can help you to muster something extra (while keeping good form) in order to increase your speed a little at a time.
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I'd make sure that you take whatever you can to ensure the strongest ligaments, tendons, cartilage possible.
And do ALL of the rehab type exercises for rotator cuff injuries NOW.
A rotator cuff injury will ruin you.
I used to play some competitive golf, too. And in studying the golf swing, I believe that a tremendous amount of speed is generated by the left rear delt area including MAYBE the teres major, minor, and lat. If you develop those areas, I'd be willing to believe that you will generate that additional speed without juicing.
Imagine when you're pitching and you've just done your leg kick and your foot has landed. Check out the rear delt area in the arm that's not throwing the ball. Feel how tight it is? It's generating a good amount of the upper body torque... Give it a shot... Couldn't hurt.
And the average sized major league pitchers I've been around who throw in the mid 90s seem to have some really strong calves.
And work in front of a radar gun. With the golf swing, hitting in front of a radar can help you to muster something extra (while keeping good form) in order to increase your speed a little at a time.
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tajwolgram
Previously BUSTED!
more advice...
IF so many sprinters and such have gotten busted for stanozolol, you'd think their scientific minded advisors would have recommended it for a very good reason...
IF so many sprinters and such have gotten busted for stanozolol, you'd think their scientific minded advisors would have recommended it for a very good reason...
slojack
War Eagle
Stregas right
Velocity will come with sound mechanics, conditioning and legs. As a former HS, Maj Div 1, and Semi pro pitcher all the guys i knew who did juice suffered in the long run. If you have a major league changeup you dont need another 2-4 mph, especially if youre a lefty. Fastballs are overrated anyway. I am 6'5" and threw 91 in HS and most of the big hits i gave up were fastballs, still got a 121 Ks tho SR year. When i went to college i slowed up my fastball and placed it where i wanted much better results. plus your 30 yrs old that shoulder aint gettin any younger.
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Velocity will come with sound mechanics, conditioning and legs. As a former HS, Maj Div 1, and Semi pro pitcher all the guys i knew who did juice suffered in the long run. If you have a major league changeup you dont need another 2-4 mph, especially if youre a lefty. Fastballs are overrated anyway. I am 6'5" and threw 91 in HS and most of the big hits i gave up were fastballs, still got a 121 Ks tho SR year. When i went to college i slowed up my fastball and placed it where i wanted much better results. plus your 30 yrs old that shoulder aint gettin any younger.
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tajwolgram
Previously BUSTED!
Sorry...
I didn't actually read your post before I posted my replies. I ASSumed that you were like 19 and just starting out, AND I think I used a tone that I would have when talking to a kid.
EVERYBODY does pretty much the same exercises and they get pretty much the same results.
Think seriously about implementing what I mentioned earlier. If you're doin' what you've always done, then you're gonna get what you've always got!
I know juicing changes things, BUT... What if slamming some juice into your routine AND trying something different in your training magnifies those results?
There is one other option you probably haven't considered. For like ten grand, you can go to China and have them break your legs. They will get longer by one mm per day. Thats like 3-4 inches in three months.
After rehab, you'll be closer to the plate when you release the ball, so that'll increase your speed. lol... Said tongue in cheek of course.
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I didn't actually read your post before I posted my replies. I ASSumed that you were like 19 and just starting out, AND I think I used a tone that I would have when talking to a kid.
EVERYBODY does pretty much the same exercises and they get pretty much the same results.
Think seriously about implementing what I mentioned earlier. If you're doin' what you've always done, then you're gonna get what you've always got!
I know juicing changes things, BUT... What if slamming some juice into your routine AND trying something different in your training magnifies those results?
There is one other option you probably haven't considered. For like ten grand, you can go to China and have them break your legs. They will get longer by one mm per day. Thats like 3-4 inches in three months.
After rehab, you'll be closer to the plate when you release the ball, so that'll increase your speed. lol... Said tongue in cheek of course.
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Aztech
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Solid mechanics are a better approach...it all starts with strong legs and hips. I'd imagine steroids to decrease your flexibility from the added size and actually be working against you to a point.
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Aztech
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pls start a new thread about this and tell me more.
dynamicathlete
New member
Wow we're getting extreme with the leg breaking. LOL I'm aware of the tightness I may get from GEAR but being conscience of that I stretch, I'm very very flexible and I do my rotator cuff exercises everyday. This is somewhat of a last chance type of thing where I've done pretty much everything I can naturally, I have no dilutions of playing in the big leagues but I can play in Italy professionally for another 3 or 4 years and I want to be able to recover well as well as like I said earlier be a consistant 90+. With my changeup and fast ball at that velocity I'll be much more well off than I am now. I have good control about an 9 to 1 k to bb ratio and I have pretty good mechanics. I'll keep training hard but I really want to give this a try and see what happens. I love all the great info i get here and appreciate it incredibily. If anyone has anyone has thoughts on my dosages I'm all ears.
tajwolgram
Previously BUSTED!
I think it's weird (and cheap of 'em) that they don't ever have "Green Laser Giveaway" days at major league ballparks! lol
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