Lets hear some thoughts on this!
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bleachcola
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Receptor sites are constantly being degraded and remanufactured in cells -- they're always fresh. And as far as hitting the hpta, I think you plan is pretty bad. Your hpta will never recover if your hitting the juice four weeks on and two weeks off over and over.
frotobaggins
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Far as I know there is only one AR anyway. (correct me if i'm wrong) I really dont like the idea overall because the hpta will be up and down and up and down. Finding what works just comes with expirence.
Spectre
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The long ester stuff would not be fairly tested at one month..Generaly blood test concerns are liver values ast, alt, gst and your chol levels. You could measure free test but I don;t think it's going to tell you much...
A consistent diet and routine while running the diff gear could tell how you respond by lifts and weight.
Personally I run 3 months each to get the feel, but I never come off either.
A consistent diet and routine while running the diff gear could tell how you respond by lifts and weight.
Personally I run 3 months each to get the feel, but I never come off either.
Big Mac Attack
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316,
I thought you would catch some shit from the smart guys around here for this Idea. Perhaps they were all busy this weekend.
As you know I like this Idea alot. As far as wasting time it isnt. Being in the hole for a year because of a bad cycle is a waste of time. Figuring out what works best when your young isnt a waste of time. It is the best use of time. So goes the old saying "If I only knew" Need I say more?
I hope we get some more input/discussion on the pharmacological(SP?) side of this discussion.
peace
I thought you would catch some shit from the smart guys around here for this Idea. Perhaps they were all busy this weekend.
As you know I like this Idea alot. As far as wasting time it isnt. Being in the hole for a year because of a bad cycle is a waste of time. Figuring out what works best when your young isnt a waste of time. It is the best use of time. So goes the old saying "If I only knew" Need I say more?
I hope we get some more input/discussion on the pharmacological(SP?) side of this discussion.
peace
TxLonghorn
Co-Founder
I would think the drugs at the beginning would look better than the ones at the end, at least as far as efficacy goes. For example, say you started with short acting gear first, and ended with longer acting gear.
Dbol...ox...winny...tren...test...deca...eq, something like that. The dbol results are going to look fantastic, but how many pounds are you gonna gain before your gains slow down regardless of gear? What dosages are you going to use to try to keep all of these comparable?
I think in the end, you might as well jump feet first, if you get sides, you get sides, but not as much benefit as a real cycle would give you. Plus you are basically just fucking around for a year.
Try the basics and go from there. I would recommend a test/eq or test/deca (or test/npp) cycle for any novice. And you just go from there. Add dbol, or add Winstrol (winny), or try deca instead of eq, or eq instead of deca, etc., etc.
It would be nice to have first hand experience for all gear, but that's just not realistic. I know people bitch and moan about some people who will answer without having real world experience, but as long as they are relating what somebody else experienced, what's the big fucking deal? If I told you anadrol will most likely bloat you, does it matter much that I've never done anadrol, nor do I plan to? Or if I tell you that if you take test, most likely your sex drive will go up?
That's exactly what these boards are here for, so you don't have to take a year or two off just to find out what works or what doesn't.
Dbol...ox...winny...tren...test...deca...eq, something like that. The dbol results are going to look fantastic, but how many pounds are you gonna gain before your gains slow down regardless of gear? What dosages are you going to use to try to keep all of these comparable?
I think in the end, you might as well jump feet first, if you get sides, you get sides, but not as much benefit as a real cycle would give you. Plus you are basically just fucking around for a year.
Try the basics and go from there. I would recommend a test/eq or test/deca (or test/npp) cycle for any novice. And you just go from there. Add dbol, or add Winstrol (winny), or try deca instead of eq, or eq instead of deca, etc., etc.
It would be nice to have first hand experience for all gear, but that's just not realistic. I know people bitch and moan about some people who will answer without having real world experience, but as long as they are relating what somebody else experienced, what's the big fucking deal? If I told you anadrol will most likely bloat you, does it matter much that I've never done anadrol, nor do I plan to? Or if I tell you that if you take test, most likely your sex drive will go up?
That's exactly what these boards are here for, so you don't have to take a year or two off just to find out what works or what doesn't.
kube
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i think it sounds good bro, but i would take more time off between cycles in order to make sure you are indeed fully recovered.
also, one thing i do agree with is what tx longhorn said. the first compounds you use are probably going to end up looking better than the last ones just due to the fact that you will have grown and the more you grow, the closer you will get to what is probably your limit and the harder it will be to put on weight later on, at least with average or low doses like you say you will be taking. now, if you are willing to gain and then lose those gains and start fresh then i think you will really learn and that is the point, right?
i am doing something similar right now, as a matter of fact. my first cycle was sustanon/decca and it went great. i blew up and was never tired. my second was test only and i learned that test kills my endurance. now im on decca/proviron just to see what decca alone will do.
also, i would not consider what you are thinking of doing a waste of time by any means, as long as you let your body fully recover. i would give it a couple of years though, not just one. and keep in mind what tx longhorn said, i think he is right as far as the latter cycles not being fair, especially with low doses. later.
also, one thing i do agree with is what tx longhorn said. the first compounds you use are probably going to end up looking better than the last ones just due to the fact that you will have grown and the more you grow, the closer you will get to what is probably your limit and the harder it will be to put on weight later on, at least with average or low doses like you say you will be taking. now, if you are willing to gain and then lose those gains and start fresh then i think you will really learn and that is the point, right?
i am doing something similar right now, as a matter of fact. my first cycle was sustanon/decca and it went great. i blew up and was never tired. my second was test only and i learned that test kills my endurance. now im on decca/proviron just to see what decca alone will do.
also, i would not consider what you are thinking of doing a waste of time by any means, as long as you let your body fully recover. i would give it a couple of years though, not just one. and keep in mind what tx longhorn said, i think he is right as far as the latter cycles not being fair, especially with low doses. later.
captain wacky
90 miles from home
I wonder if it would be a good idea to include a placebo. The only problem is how will you not know which the placebo is.
TxLonghorn
Co-Founder
I still think it's a waste. Why waste any time at all? We already know some of the sides of gear, why re-learn them? It would be like re-inventing the wheel.
What happens in week 3 of the Winstrol (winny) if/when you find out your joints are killing you? Take deca? Wow.
What about longer esters...how long...most report seeing not much at all until week 6 or 7 of eq...and at what dosage?
There are reasons we stack gear, it makes it all better. There are reasons we talk about it on these boards, so we don't have to have first hand experience.
And also, is your diet going to be the exact same for all cycles? If not, this will skew your results....too many variables to do something like this over a period of a year.
What happens in week 3 of the Winstrol (winny) if/when you find out your joints are killing you? Take deca? Wow.
What about longer esters...how long...most report seeing not much at all until week 6 or 7 of eq...and at what dosage?
There are reasons we stack gear, it makes it all better. There are reasons we talk about it on these boards, so we don't have to have first hand experience.
And also, is your diet going to be the exact same for all cycles? If not, this will skew your results....too many variables to do something like this over a period of a year.
Nelson Montana
Community Veteran, Bodybuilding Author
I have the answer.
First, let me say , that as interesting a scenario as it is, it wouldnt be accurate. You would still get a culmatively degenerate effect. At the end of a year your natural T levels would be much lower no matter what. Whoever told you differently is wrong, I don't care how "respected" he is. And yes, the first months would bring later gains than the later months.
Also, there are many other factors in the success of a cycle -- diet, rest, etc -- and not to be overlooked, one's bio-rhythms. There are times you'e simply in a more anabolic state than others. (Depending on stress levels, endorphin levels etc , etc) So you see, it STILL wouldn't be accurate.
BUT LETS ASSUME ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL.
Speaking hypothetically, what would bring more long term mscle -- 1000 mgs of test or 1000 mgs or Primo? 50 mgs of Anavar (var) or 50 mgs of D-bol?
The answer is...
.
It would be about the same.
That's the joke of it all. Guys talk about these complex calculations and these different stacks and the truth of the matter is all steroids are based on the tesosterone molecule. THERE ARE NOT DIFFERENT RECEPTORS FOR DIFFERENT DRUGS. That's just dumb. Human beings did not evolve to have "Deca" receptors and "Winstrol" receptors. They're all androgen receptors and they all increase nitrogen retention. The end.
Does this mean all drugs are the same? No. That's why I advocate using Primo -- which is purely anabolic and essentially the "safest" steroid, along with D-bol-- which is powerful and fast acting. Anything else is just inferior combinations of these two. Yes, that's right; in terms of muscle grown compared to side effects, dbol isn't much different from Anavar (var) . You'd need twice as much Anavar (var) to grow the same amount of muscle and Anavar (var) isn't "twice" as safe. The difference is neglegable.
But people don't want to hear that. They want to think they're SOOOOOOOO scientific.
And that's the answer You can argue all you want. That's the answer.
First, let me say , that as interesting a scenario as it is, it wouldnt be accurate. You would still get a culmatively degenerate effect. At the end of a year your natural T levels would be much lower no matter what. Whoever told you differently is wrong, I don't care how "respected" he is. And yes, the first months would bring later gains than the later months.
Also, there are many other factors in the success of a cycle -- diet, rest, etc -- and not to be overlooked, one's bio-rhythms. There are times you'e simply in a more anabolic state than others. (Depending on stress levels, endorphin levels etc , etc) So you see, it STILL wouldn't be accurate.
BUT LETS ASSUME ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL.
Speaking hypothetically, what would bring more long term mscle -- 1000 mgs of test or 1000 mgs or Primo? 50 mgs of Anavar (var) or 50 mgs of D-bol?
The answer is...
.
It would be about the same.
That's the joke of it all. Guys talk about these complex calculations and these different stacks and the truth of the matter is all steroids are based on the tesosterone molecule. THERE ARE NOT DIFFERENT RECEPTORS FOR DIFFERENT DRUGS. That's just dumb. Human beings did not evolve to have "Deca" receptors and "Winstrol" receptors. They're all androgen receptors and they all increase nitrogen retention. The end.
Does this mean all drugs are the same? No. That's why I advocate using Primo -- which is purely anabolic and essentially the "safest" steroid, along with D-bol-- which is powerful and fast acting. Anything else is just inferior combinations of these two. Yes, that's right; in terms of muscle grown compared to side effects, dbol isn't much different from Anavar (var) . You'd need twice as much Anavar (var) to grow the same amount of muscle and Anavar (var) isn't "twice" as safe. The difference is neglegable.
But people don't want to hear that. They want to think they're SOOOOOOOO scientific.
And that's the answer You can argue all you want. That's the answer.
jamesbrosky
New member
how about instead of breaks in between em' just run en all back to back. If I had the dough to blow on that Id do the longer acting stuff first for 2 months a piece and the fast acting stuff 6 weeks a peice. but you got a lotta 17aa steroids on there man...
jamesbrosky
New member
It really is interesting though.........
TxLonghorn
Co-Founder
Nelson Montana said:
Actually, I am pretty sure there is a specific winstrol receptor...can't remember the study now, but pretty interesting.
TxLonghorn
Co-Founder
I think the pros switch it up because you body does become accustomed to anything if you give it time. I think this is why doggcrapp has seen success with the 4 weeks 'on', 2 weeks 'cruising' along with switching various gear ever so often. It's like if you take an aleve every day for 8 weeks, pretty soon you're going to need more than that if you want any pain relief...but if you get off it for a couple of weeks and then switch to motrin, you'll notice pain relief.
That has nothing to do with receptors, but with your body and tolerance.
That has nothing to do with receptors, but with your body and tolerance.
